I personally dislike the idea of no lynch day 1, not for the % chance sake, but I don't usually see how we can gain much information if we just all say/do nothing day 1 and then ponder deaths and hope from there. Day 1 can provide some very useful information regarding how people react to pressure. And then you can corroborate that with deaths on day 2 and get some dank reads on the scum of this game.
Well that's usually the plan anyway lol
04/15/2016 13:00:30
Also don't forget to take into the account the added information that mafia begins the game with, knowing the roles of their teammates which noone else has the benefit of on day 1, random lynches can only benefit them unless they're unlucky enough to get singled out, which on a 10/18 vote requires almost a 10/14 majority, more than 70% of players agreeing that they have no worth to the game. I guess the argument is "is the risk of losing a valuable town role worth the information you get about other players?"
04/15/2016 13:02:59
04/15/2016 13:02:59
FramesJanco said:
I guess the argument is "is the risk of losing a valuable town role worth the information you get about other players?"
Yeah pretty much, and I definitely agree with the latter. Also even in losing a valuable town member is does marginally help us because then we know that the role that was killed is no longer in the game. e.g if doc dies day 1 (pls no) then we know that we can not rely on him ever for the rest of the game, and plays afterwards can vary because of this knowledge But by no means does that mean we should try and lynch the doc or anything, but a small repercussion if we do lose a major PR so quickly :| Actually repercussion is always bad, idk what the word is.
Just a small look at the bright side? XD
04/15/2016 13:07:34
If I had to draw on anything suspicious that's happened from this day it would have to be Hydropimp's vote for Haiku, it seems like it was either a completely random vote but even if it was for information not much would be obtained from someone so insignificant to the proceeds of the game at the time, curious about why you're voting for him besides that he's not an amazing player so the loss of him wouldn't mean much to town?
This is running off the basis that we're only random lynching for the information we need to make more accurate lynches in the future.
04/15/2016 13:15:24
This is running off the basis that we're only random lynching for the information we need to make more accurate lynches in the future.
04/15/2016 13:15:24
I dont think you get the day 1 lynch thing. We don't do it completely by random, we pick a weak or inactive player who is probably VT. Trust me, day one will have little to none effect in the long run if we lynch someone useless to the town. Also frames, scrap the whole statistics stuff. Mafia is more complex than that.
04/15/2016 13:31:09
04/15/2016 13:31:09
cAKE said:
I dont think you get the day 1 lynch thing. We don't do it completely by random, we pick a weak or inactive player who is probably VT. Trust me, day one will have little to none effect in the long run if we lynch someone useless to the town. Also frames, scrap the whole statistics stuff. Mafia is more complex than that.
Yeah the only thing statistics in terms of maf/town numbers tells us is how important day lynches are xD
04/15/2016 13:32:20
FramesJanco seems to be talking.
VOTE: Unvote
04/15/2016 21:19:30
VOTE: Unvote
04/15/2016 21:19:30
Actually the statistics stuff is good. Especially at this stage of the game where we have nothing to go on.
04/15/2016 22:58:00
04/15/2016 22:58:00
Well do you have anything else to go on besides statistics? Again i'm obviously under pressure here to say something but there's little to talk about beyond the fact that we can't decide if a day 1 lynch is neccessary.
04/16/2016 00:49:06
04/16/2016 00:49:06
@FramesJanco
The point is that mafia isn't a game of statistics, it's one of analysis. The only thing you can analyse D1 is players posts. I want you to make an argument on someone, anyone that you think is scum.
04/16/2016 00:54:59
The point is that mafia isn't a game of statistics, it's one of analysis. The only thing you can analyse D1 is players posts. I want you to make an argument on someone, anyone that you think is scum.
04/16/2016 00:54:59
Frames your stats are fine but your missing the bigger picture. If town does not kill someone day 1 they lose a mislynch later in the game. Furthermore if you dont put the threat of actually killing someone out there mafia could just claim VT were you to look at them. If they claim a PR then we have something to go off or someone can counter claim.
04/16/2016 02:30:08
04/16/2016 02:30:08
Vote: Unvote
Seems to be back, also didnt realise that there were mod kills if they were afk lol.
04/16/2016 03:27:30
Seems to be back, also didnt realise that there were mod kills if they were afk lol.
04/16/2016 03:27:30
Tips for the new people in town:
1) Day 1 lynch is never a bad idea. No lynch is only really an option if you have power roles that can do stuff and as such will avoid LyLo. That's basically the only time you use it. Lynching is a great way to try and understand the mindset of the mafia. If the lynchee is town, it is more likely that most of the scum vote for that lynch and actively support it and information can be gathered from the votes. If the lynchee is maf, town gain a kill and we also have voting information
2) PSA DO NOT QUICKHAMMER. New people in the last couple of games have been a bit hasty to hammer without letting town know that is there intention. It's been fortunate that both times it was just newb town aligned players but seeing as I'm making this announcement, anyone seen quickhammering should probably be lynched the next day. If you intend to hammer (be the last person to vote to have someone lynched) post beforehand announcing your intention.
04/16/2016 03:57:07
1) Day 1 lynch is never a bad idea. No lynch is only really an option if you have power roles that can do stuff and as such will avoid LyLo. That's basically the only time you use it. Lynching is a great way to try and understand the mindset of the mafia. If the lynchee is town, it is more likely that most of the scum vote for that lynch and actively support it and information can be gathered from the votes. If the lynchee is maf, town gain a kill and we also have voting information
2) PSA DO NOT QUICKHAMMER. New people in the last couple of games have been a bit hasty to hammer without letting town know that is there intention. It's been fortunate that both times it was just newb town aligned players but seeing as I'm making this announcement, anyone seen quickhammering should probably be lynched the next day. If you intend to hammer (be the last person to vote to have someone lynched) post beforehand announcing your intention.
04/16/2016 03:57:07
Maybe Corvid should say more than 6 words?
VOTE: Corvid
04/16/2016 04:00:34
VOTE: Corvid
04/16/2016 04:00:34
Ok maybe I should
VOTE: Wooy
04/16/2016 04:10:43
VOTE: Wooy
04/16/2016 04:10:43
maybe he's busy but i guess more pressure is good when someone isnt talking.
pls respond for realsies
VOTE: Corvid oh well hello corvid. i guess i'll
VOTE: Unvote
for now.
04/16/2016 04:12:17
pls respond for realsies
VOTE: Corvid oh well hello corvid. i guess i'll
VOTE: Unvote
for now.
04/16/2016 04:12:17
Vote: Corvid
You legit just had a chance to say something of note but instead voted for a good player and added nothing :pp
04/16/2016 04:15:58
You legit just had a chance to say something of note but instead voted for a good player and added nothing :pp
04/16/2016 04:15:58
Corvid said:
Ok maybe I should
VOTE: Wooy
You wanna explain that? o.O
04/16/2016 04:16:23
@Urisk
Again, not new but not that experienced
So do you basically mean when it comes down to 4 players left and 1 maf that we lose if we mislynch?
04/16/2016 05:04:23
Again, not new but not that experienced
So do you basically mean when it comes down to 4 players left and 1 maf that we lose if we mislynch?
04/16/2016 05:04:23
Vote: Corvid
idk never really a strong player and has been pretty much the most inactive player since the start of the game.
If he says something proactive I'll probably take this vote off as it is soft, and I have no big scumreads on anyone yet
04/16/2016 05:04:26
idk never really a strong player and has been pretty much the most inactive player since the start of the game.
If he says something proactive I'll probably take this vote off as it is soft, and I have no big scumreads on anyone yet
04/16/2016 05:04:26
Maribro said:
Corvid said:
Ok maybe I should
VOTE: Wooy
You wanna explain that? o.O
pretty sure he did it as a joke.
But ye peeps day 1 lynch is always a good option. Frames trying to get no lynch day 1 is fairly suss but its his first time so he might not understand it yet.
Idk this thread is hard to read.
04/16/2016 05:26:02
I've played a bit but never forum mafia so I forget that there's more than 30 seconds to get information
04/16/2016 05:28:48
04/16/2016 05:28:48
Corvid said:
Ok maybe I should
VOTE: Wooy
From seeing this post shortly after I posted, I have a feeling Corvid is lurking. I think we need to keep pressure on him.
04/16/2016 06:00:48
So using all the logic we've learned in the last few pages, Corvid is insanely suss for countervoting on Wooy right?
04/16/2016 06:31:39
04/16/2016 06:31:39
It is how quickly he responded which is surprising considering he has done next to nothing so far meaning he might just be looking and watching and when given the opportunity to speak all he did was counter vote
04/16/2016 06:33:42
04/16/2016 06:33:42