World of Light themed Mafia - Game Over, Dark Faction Wins!

Maribro said:
MrL is Innocent Child, not survivor. Please do pay attention. This is honestly such a weird slip up, have you actually not been reading the thread? I can't even accuse your behaviour as lurking.

ill take the my b on that, i kinda assumed innocent child = survivor, will pay attention more next time.

asa is defo pushing everyone for their thoughts, i feel like he could be a cop or some kind of investigating role. although, this could be him trying to push the pressure onto other people, effectively getting the heat off him. he has also been defo pushing the bijou/jeans is mafia motive. i'd be interested in if he does have any legit info about them and is just hiding it.

i think wind is a townie, he's been helpful and has been really hammering the point across to everyone.

boozer posted last 5 days ago and that was a vote on mari. idk whats happening with him, but he is getting increasingly sus. sharing his thoughts, yes, but doing it in a such a memey way that it just puts me off.

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04/14/2019 03:05:18

sorry was at a tournament all day!!

i think i can see what bijou is talking about regarding asa's play so far and so i'm down to chop a vote on him.

Vote:asa

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04/14/2019 11:38:01

It's late night so I'm going to smash out a reply to bijou

Bijou said:
If you can't admit you were wrong and apologise for it then you're probably anti town.

why?

Aerodrome said:
1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town and 2. your aggressive Bijou orientated attacks and random kirby inno child claim was just weird.

1) I feel like that's an overgeneralization that works both ways.
Did you also forget that he was actually in fact on the wagon? and was literally about to hammer?
2) I don't see how I was attacking bijou, unless asking questions counts.
Kirby claim - I already explained this earlier. If you haven't read my explanation, why do yout think it's werid?

Bijou said:
Look I'm not going to lie, I'm honestly just trying to bait him into saying he was wrong because I know he'll hate it.

Given how much he was hyping himself up as a bit of a know it all when it comes to playing mafia I feel like he's not the kinda guy to admit he fucked up so I'm just trying to push him to do it for the fun of it.

lmao honestly, I don't care one bit about admitting that I was wrong. JEANS was town, I was wrong. I am far more concerned about trying to find out why I was wrong, and your insistence on this is getting quite distracting.

Bijou said:
I do plan on making a post pointing out all the reasons why we should lynch him though. I get back from my trip to Daylesford tomorrow night so I should be able to put something together that will convince you to join me on the train.

He character claimed early on for who knows what reason

I get he was making a joke about something that happened in a previous game

Part 2 never came by the way. Was he hoping we forgot about this? Rather than attempting any sort of Part 2 post he moved over to trying to get JEANS lynched instead.

Clearly he still thinks I'm anti town so what's the problem chief? You got cold feet or what? I'm still waiting.

part 2 never came out because it was about you and your interactions, and I realised that I was basing everything in it upon two assumptions which was bound to be rife with confirmation bias

After JEANS claimed doctor the correct town thing to do would have been to re-evaluate whether or not his claim was plausible. Doctor is a HUGE role for town in this game especially given there are two mafia factions.
Asa did not even consider JEANS doctor claim for a second and proceeded to throw suspicion onto the players who were actually doing the right thing and taking a step back for a moment.

There were too many inconsistencies with his story up until that point, as you yourself stated.
I was wary of the fact that you were so easy to back off (which you only unvoted because we had an extra day to explore), and I was trying to figure it out before MrL ended the day.

This is the biggest sign of him being anti town.

Seems like a stretch to me. Considering that it's not the fact that he claimed doctor that I didn't believe, it's the way he claimed, with numerous inconsistencies that made his claim less believable.

This seems like the kind of post an anti town player would make.

Why?

I'm betting Asa thought JEANS and I were part of the 'other' mafia faction and by calling us out he would make himself look town by lynching us.

the way you guys were interacting did indeed lead me to believe there was some link between you two.

The important part to note here is he never takes the towns best interests in consideration this whole time. He's more concerned about how HE looks.

I don't see where you get this from. Can you please explain? I am also concerned at how sensationalist the language being used is here.

Asa voted for Boozer right after I had placed pressure onto him at the start of the day without even responding to my vote whatsoever. Looks like an attempt to deflect discussion away from him.

I'm still waiting for Asa's glorious part two post, but sure I'm good with this.
Vote: Asa

What was there to respond to with this vote?

Re: boozer, I just haven't had the thought to pull my vote off, or put it elsewhere yet
Unvote Boozer

I put my vote on who I want to pressure or lynch.
I wouldn't say my vote was lazy when I explained exactly why I put it there in a later post
Deflected attention off me from what though? People were still clamoring over the claim?

He didn't make this vote with the intention of asking him further info about why he'd posted the Dharkon thing, he was doing it because he saw an opportunity to vote for someone who was vocal against him. You will note that other players who voted JEANS for the same post did so to get further information regarding it.

I found his insistent behaviour strange, and this combined with the slip was reason for me to persue further.
Saying that I didn't intend to ask him further questions is blatant misrepresentation.

Again this is another clear example of Asa playing for what suits his own best interests rather than doing anything to help town.
Please let me know your thoughts on the above. Hopefully the length doesn't scare people off but if you want a TL;DR then I suppose this is it:
The way Asa has been playing has his own benefit in mind rather than the best interests of the town. Discuss.

What is to my own benefit? Lynching a player I believe to be scum = not in the interest of town?

Bijou, that is a very large chip on your shoulder you have there. You would be OK lynching asa just because he won't admit that he's wrong?

Also I think part 2 might have been that one big post from before that kind of said nothin'

I'm also leery of this language coming out of aero, and the way bijou and aero are quickly bouncing off each other right now. fuck it I'll fix it tomorrow @invisi

MOD EDIT: fixed formatting

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04/15/2019 09:32:42

Bijou was only going to hammer because JEANS wasn't responding, lets not twist the truth that much. He pretty clearly said that he jumped off the lynch train when he read JEANS's final defense before he was lynched.

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04/14/2019 23:29:54

Permission granted to fix formatting @asa

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04/14/2019 23:30:37

UNVOTE

I feel bad for not doing anything for the past five days or so but then I remember that about half the players are much worse than me at that.

I have a bit of time now so I'll try to read through and write something up before lunch. OK so.
What do I KNOW?

I know that I'm town, I know that MrL is town, I know that JEANS is town and I know that Ghostbone is mafia (Dark faction specifically).
So I know that at least three of these 12 players are mafia:
Aerodrome
asa
Extra
ThatLaggyPerson
JonCheee
Windkeeper0
Bijou
Maribro
BattleDolphin
Blaze
LtLongshot
Boozer

Ghostbone was part of the "it's possible there are four mafia on each team" party so maybe we should look further into that group? Thinking emoji.
I say this in jest. Mostly. I think.

I don't think that I'm super suspicious at this stage of these players:
ThatLaggyPerson (seems like a village idiot)
BattleDolphin (reading through the last game he's kind of a bad liar so I think I'd have more suss feelings of him by now if he was mafia?)
LtLongshot (are you alive? please post)
And maybe... Bijou (if he's mafia he's a better actor than I gave him credit for)

So for the others...
Boozer:
I could write a lot more but I'll keep this brief. Do you actually think that Maribro is mafia, and if so, why?
Also can you not vote to extend the deadline and then not post, please.

Maribro:
I haven't really brought it up but my opinion hasn't changed since Day 1.

Windkeeper0:
I've cooled a little bit. I don't really like how he's playing but I don't think he's a priority lynch today.

Blaze:
I also don't really like how he's playing and now he's gone into yet another long absence (since Wednesday night). I'm growing a little impatient and wouldn't mind lynching him today.

JonCheee:
Uhhh neutral, I guess...

Aerodrome:

Aerodrome said:

Maribro said:

Aerodrome said:
1. because people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town

Aerodrome said:
Does it? Hypothetically what if Dean was mafia and knew none of his team were on the JEANS lynch train? You would be happy blindly following the "most of the mafia have to be on this train" narrative?

Care to elaborate?

Not particularly. I can't even find that first post in my post history so I don't remember the context. Read the context and use your (PLURAL) heads for once. Why are all of you quoting my posts and being like "what does this mean?" when the answer to your questions are either in the posts you're quoting or extremely obvious?

Find it in your post history? That first quote was on the very same page as the post I'm quoting now.

The context was that you called Bijou town because he didn't lynch JEANS (town).
"people who aren't on town lynch trains are usually town" -> so we won't find many mafiosi NOT on the town lynch wagon, so where would we'd find them? The only other place is ON the lynch wagon.
Maribro's pointing out your backflip when this line of thought was used against you.

Did you miss my questions from the bottom half of Page 19?


In summary I think I'm becoming increasingly OK with lynching Aerodrome today.

Extra:
I could make a longer post but in general I haven't liked his game so far but it's kind of hard to put into words why so I haven't really bothered with it so far. Plus I'm not sure how much momentum a train would gather and I like to keep the amount of effort I use in not getting results to a minimum.

asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

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04/15/2019 04:42:36

Activity Update

Today
Dean
Aerodrome

Sunday
Asa
Extra
Laggy
JonCheee

Saturday
Windkeeper
Bijou
Maribro

Thursday
BattleDolphin

Wednesday
Blaze

Tuesday
Mr L
LtLongshot
Boozer

I will be DMing those who haven't posted since the weekend started.

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04/15/2019 04:51:21

Can we just make it a rule that if you fuck your formatting you're allowed to go edit it to fix it?

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04/15/2019 05:29:11

thanks laggy continue to give us your opinions!!

vote: aerodrome

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04/15/2019 05:31:56

dean said:
Find it in your post history?

I couldn't find it.

On the setup itself, it's extremely likely that there is 3 mafia on each team (in flavour that would be the light and dark bosses/master and crazy hand/??? and Marx (Ghost))

I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

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04/15/2019 05:49:43

Marioboro vote is pretty much a meme lol

I'm not sure which basket I'm gonna put my eggs in, leaning towards asa I think. Seems the most suss of anyone rn

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04/15/2019 06:11:34

Aerodrome said:
I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

I care about your opinion, who are the members you've narrowed it down to?

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04/15/2019 09:00:25

MOD EDIT: fixed formatting

Praise the mods

Aerodrome said:
Bijou was only going to hammer because JEANS wasn't responding

Where did you get this from?
>I was literally 15 minutes away from hanmering him by the way until he replied.

I'll post the exchange here for convenience:
Bijou - I think you have too many inconsistencies adding up now JEANS, I'll give like half an hour before I hammer unless you've got any reasonable rebuttal to make that might make sense.
Bijou - Your story changed here too. I'm going to hammer at 7pm Melbourne time.
Jeans - also 7pm is in 15 minutes bijou! this seems way too soon let the other town see atleast before the thoughs of 3 people decide my fate lel
Bijou - But yeah alright, we've got time I suppose so I don't mind waiting for the others to post their opinions. The hammer is off the the moment.

https://ausmash.com.au/user/bijou?page=2

Aerodrome said:
lets not twist the truth that much.

:eyes:

He pretty clearly said that he jumped off the lynch train when he read JEANS's final defense before he was lynched.

I wouldn't say clearly... Closest thing I get is this?

JEANS I hope you aren't fucking me here so that Asa can shove this smug shit up his arse. I've picked you over Asa so if you've screwed me I'll be very upset with you lol.

His reasoning for being off the lynch is largely swayed by me vs jeans
Until then, his other reasoning was that he believed that jeans flailing around was a sign that he could be town

Quotes:
>The doctor not being able to save someone if both factions vote them is a really interesting mechanic and I don't believe JEANS could have made this up on his own.

>My opinion on whether or not he's telling the truth keeps seesawing back and forwards at the moment. Was literally about to hammer him but his latest post seems plausible to me and surprisingly responds to all my questions believably.

These don't exactly scream out clearly to me, and also doesn't change the fact that he was very much on the lynch train until the very last moment.
So why does this make bijou +town because his vote wasn't on the final votecount?
Does this also put Blaze, Maribro, BattleDolphin, Laggy, and LtLongshot as +town in your eyes?

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04/15/2019 13:25:08

Aerodrome said:
I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

Uhh...
Have I given you the impression that I'm being unreasonable or not listening to you or something?

Your behaviour is really confusing me.

VOTE: Aerodrome

I encourage everyone that hasn't voted yet as well to place a vote on someone (anyone). We should work towards putting someone on L-2 sooner rather than later so we don't have to wait until deadline for someone to claim cop or something.

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04/15/2019 23:42:11

Yes sir dean

Vote: asa

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04/15/2019 23:56:23

Dean is back to calling me BattleDolphin <3

I honestly find boozer a little suss atm with the Maribro vote, then claiming as a meme a week later, and idk his post history before that kinda bothers me. Also you seemingly responded to Dean very fast (lurking?) but it definitely could be chance.

Aeros language is definitely scary, and asa's defense seemed very good to me so idk what to think about that D:

I have no clue why blaze is so inactive?? He's super gotten into all the other games but not this one?

I'll probably
vote: boozer Also blaze is on school holidays so I know for a fact he has time >:(

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04/16/2019 00:49:27

Bijou said:

Aerodrome said:
I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

I care about your opinion, who are the members you've narrowed it down to?

I was gonna post it but I don't want mafia dogpiling me with votes the moment they see they're on the list. I'll post it in the next day phase (or this one if I get lynched).

dean said:

Aerodrome said:
I've narrowed down who the mafia are imo but it's really just my instincts and I find it hard to put into words the reasons why. I feel Dean and JonCheee at least don't care about my opinion though.

Uhh...
Have I given you the impression that I'm being unreasonable or not listening to you or something?

Your behaviour is really confusing me.

VOTE: Aerodrome

For the record the game you tried to have townies modkilled was literally the last game you played btw. And yes feinging ignorance is something JEANS has done before but I don't remember which game it was in. @asa when Bijou saw Mr L hammer one of the first things he said was "I'm pretty sure Mr L just hammered our doctor". Seems pretty clear cut that he believed JEANS to me.

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04/16/2019 01:59:07

Hey guys sorry i have been busy over last few days but I am pretty caught up. I am still good with voting asa off the island. Bijou has done a great deal with showing off alot of scummy stuff from asa some of which I dont think is plausable or good evidence. But asa's responses to the claims have been quite weak imo. I still have this personal vendeta against asa because of what he said at the end of day 1 being so out there is struck me as nothing but trying to throw me and bijou under the bus for not wanting to hammer.

Either way Aero has been looking pretty sus in his posts but im happy to ride it out until I can form a stronger opinion on it.

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04/16/2019 02:18:26

asa said:lmao honestly, I don't care one bit about admitting that I was wrong. JEANS was town, I was wrong. I am far more concerned about trying to find out why I was wrong, and your insistence on this is getting quite distracting.

You were wrong because you tunnelled him instead of actually reading what he was saying or asking him questions to see if he could answer his inconsistancies.

I also thought he was anti-town and was ready to hammer him, but I changed my opinion based on:

1) the fact he could respond to the holes in his statements believably
2) the power he described was something that fit the game too well to be fake
3) his language saying that he was going to be happy seeing Asa eat his words etc.

asa said:There were too many inconsistencies with his story up until that point, as you yourself stated.
I was wary of the fact that you were so easy to back off (which you only unvoted because we had an extra day to explore), and I was trying to figure it out before MrL ended the day.

Rubbish, if you were 'trying' to figure it out then you would have unvoted to prevent someone coming along and hammering him in the meantime. Why risk having a doctor at L-1 when we still had a day left to 'figure things out'?

asa said:Seems like a stretch to me. Considering that it's not the fact that he claimed doctor that I didn't believe, it's the way he claimed, with numerous inconsistencies that made his claim less believable.

JEANS responded to all of the inconsistancies in ways that made sense. If someone was lying then they would keep slipping up and digging more holes for themselves. With the way JEANS responded I found that there weren't any holes in what he was saying, a sign he was likely telling the truth.

Given how highly you rate yourself as a player the only two reasons you didn't read him properly in the end are:

1) You're anti-town
2) You're not as good of a player as you think you are

Which one is it? Option 2 ties into the reason I was goading you to admit you were wrong by the way.

asa said:the way you guys were interacting did indeed lead me to believe there was some link between you two.

asa said:These don't exactly scream out clearly to me, and also doesn't change the fact that he was very much on the lynch train until the very last moment.
So why does this make bijou +town because his vote wasn't on the final votecount?

This is wrong. If you thought there was a link between me and JEANS (and you were reading JEANS as anti-town) then that means you also thought I was anti-town on his team.

But now here you're correctly pointing out that I was on the lynch train too and about to hammer him.

Why would you have thought there was a link between us if I was going to hammer him?

If I was going to bus him I would have just done it, so that rules that out. If you were thinking I was unvoting him as a last minute ditch effort to try save a team mate then this is also wrong as I would not have even gotten involved in the lynch train at all if this was the case.

I think your reasoning here is flawed.

asa said:I don't see where you get this from. Can you please explain? I am also concerned at how sensationalist the language being used is here.

What part don't you understand? You said 'I will look like a god'. You're talking about yourself only.

If you were playing in the interests of the town rather than for your own benefit you would have said something like "I'll point this out now so that when JEANS flips mafia we'll know who he's teamed with" or something along those lines.

I believe you got too excited here. I think you're on a mafia team and mis-read the situation thinking JEANS and I were on the opposing faction and by you calling us out here it would cement you as an untouchable helpful member of town for being involved in 2-3 scum lynches. But you were wrong.

asa said:I found his insistent behaviour strange, and this combined with the slip was reason for me to persue further.
Saying that I didn't intend to ask him further questions is blatant misrepresentation.

How is it blatant misrepresentation? You didn't ask him any questions about the Dharkon stuff as can be seen through your post history.

The only thing you said when you voted him was 'Let's find out'. Implying that you believed he was Dharkon.

You didn't persue anything here. Other people actually asked him about it and he responded to it which led these voters to push off him until Dean brought it back up again towards the end of the day and everyone turned their focus back onto him.

asa said:I'm also leery of this language coming out of aero, and the way bijou and aero are quickly bouncing off each other right now.

I suppose now you're going to say Aero and I are actually teamed up.

Wow, dejavu. I feel like I've seen this play from you before.

If Aero and I were teamed up don't you think he would have unvoted JEANS also?

Dean said:asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

Can I actually get your opinion on this? I've been on Asa's case for a while now and you keep not commenting on it. I value your opinion quite highly and I feel like you keep ignoring the issue.

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04/16/2019 03:03:23

Bijou said:

Dean said:asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

Can I actually get your opinion on this? I've been on Asa's case for a while now and you keep not commenting on it. I value your opinion quite highly and I feel like you keep ignoring the issue.

Sorry. I wrote up about half a page of notes last night but I thought you were probably going to write a rebuttal to his most recent post soon (as I saw you posted that morning) so postponed it until after that.

I'll read through your new post and modify my notes if they're not appropriate but I have a meeting soon so might not get to it until 4 or 5.

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04/16/2019 03:08:29

dean said:

Bijou said:

Dean said:asa:
Verdict: having a look at the debate so far now
(in other words I'm breaking this post up here because it's already pretty long and I didn't even go into that much depth)

Can I actually get your opinion on this? I've been on Asa's case for a while now and you keep not commenting on it. I value your opinion quite highly and I feel like you keep ignoring the issue.

Sorry. I wrote up about half a page of notes last night but I thought you were probably going to write a rebuttal to his most recent post soon (as I saw you posted that morning) so postponed it until after that.

I'll read through your new post and modify my notes if they're not appropriate but I have a meeting soon so might not get to it until 4 or 5.

All good : )

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04/16/2019 04:30:36

Might have to wait until after I get home I've written uhh about 700 words and don't really feel close to finishing.

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04/16/2019 06:41:05

dean said:
Might have to wait until after I get home I've written uhh about 700 words and don't really feel close to finishing.

Oh my.

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04/16/2019 08:30:07

OK let me have a look. This is mostly a stream of consciousness so I don't really expect too many people to read this but it does help show how I came to the conclusions that I did.

I don't think that the Kirby claim is relevant and it seems we've moved on from that.


Bijou: "Part II never came out"
asa: "Part II was based off Bijou's interactions with other players and was based off assumptions so never posted it"

asa said this at the bottom of his vs. JEANS post: "Do you see why I was originally going for you bijou, Ive realised I was getting far too ahead of myself here."
So it DOES seem likely that Part II was originally going to be about Bijou's interactions, and I can relate to that somewhat (when I was debating with Maribro I was also taking notes of other players' actions during the debate)
But the awkward transition between the "yeah Part II is coming lynch me if it doesn't come out tomorrow" into "part II never"? No official confirmation that Part II wasn't coming until three weeks after the fact?

Part II is really good btw probably the best JoJo part but Vento Aureo is turning out really good as well.


Bijou: "asa did not back down after JEANS claimed doctor and threw suspicion at the players that WERE backing down"
asa: "there were too many inconsistencies with what JEANS was saying to back down"

I had another look through asa's posts from that night.
The main things I can gather from the posts about why he thought that JEANS was still suspicious:
He was doubtful that Bijou's reasoning that JEANS could not have made up a detailed fakeclaim by himself was reasonable, because doctor protecting from only one kill is standard.
AND: he doubted that the role would specify the protect would fail if both Light and Dark targeted the same person.

I think that these are reasonable statements (because I also brought them up that night and again when Bijou questioned me today), but does that justify things? Is it reasonable for a townsfolk to hold the above thoughts and still aggressively push for a lynch on a player that is claiming doctor?
Because I think that would be the most interesting point about this exchange.


asa: "I was trying to figure it (I'm assuming "it" is the Bijou/JEANS relationship) out before MrL ended the day"
Bijou: "No, if this was true you would have unvoted because L-1 is too risky"

Let me think.
Should we suspect that a player is at imminent risk of death when they are on L-1? Can we claim extenuating circumstances that our Innocent Child was craving attention so badly he'd hammer someone and use his lynch immunity to escape the consequences?

I think that... we should. I think that I mentioned earlier in the thread that we should treat L-2 as L-1 because of dipshits like Ben.
But it's kind of hard for me to say this because I come out looking like a hypocrite (which is another one of the reasons I put off posting about asa; because it's hard to say "Haha yes well said Bijou I agree" without looking hypocritical).

Are there any circumstances where it could have been reasonable to keep your vote on a player at L-1 claiming Doctor?
From my point of view, I genuinely didn't think that the inconsistencies I pointed out in one of my posts could have been reasonably resolved, and I certainly didn't think that I'd find a player that I'd find more suspicious than JEANS in the ~18 hours remaining.
But... asa did not say this, he said he was still trying to figure out things.


Bijou: "(asa being eager to kill JEANS/not backing down) is the biggest sign of him being anti-town"
asa: "it's not the doctor claim but the way he claimed"
Bijou: "JEANS responded to the inconsistencies in ways that made sense"

Repeating myself, but I think that some of the inconsistencies pointed out are reasonable.
I suppose something that caught my eye from this exchange was the very broad phrasing of "numerous inconsistencies" rather than bringing up specific examples or using previous quotes as evidence.


Bijou (quoting the "I'll look like a God post"): "I'm betting asa was mafia and thought that JEANS and I were on the other faction"
asa: "yes, I thought that there was a link between the two of you"
Bijou: "no; if I was bussing him I would have hammered him already and if I wasn't bussing I wouldn't have gotten involved with the train"

I think...
Why would asa the mafioso be more likely to think that Bijou and JEANS were mafia together than asa the townie?

This is making my head hurt.
I think that some of this depends on how strongly asa believed in the JEANS / Bijou link because speaking from experience if you've convinced yourself of something in mafia it can be hard to shake off these biases.
This doesn't look great for asa because he did a very poor job of establishing a Bijou / JEANS link in his earlier posts. The main thing I can see is his post quoting JEANS where JEANS said that he thought that Bijou was town, but he didn't say anything after quoting it; just posted an ellipsis.

I think that Bijou's counterargument isn't especially strong because he's making a lot of assumptions that asa would know exactly how Bijou would play.
For example, let's say that Bijou and JEANS WERE on a mafia team together - they could have pre-established (either before the game started or if mafia had daytalk) that if one of them was in trouble they would claim doctor. Bijou could then have pretended to threaten to hammer (but with no intent to actually do so (but try to act as convincingly as possible)) knowing that JEANS would then claim doctor and then back off.
Judging by asa's posts this is what he was suspicious of because he said that he thought Bijou was too quick to back off.

So the question here is that is this REALISTIC? Is it reasonable to think that asa read the exchanges between Bijou and JEANS that night and come to the conclusion that Bijou was acting?


Bijou: "you were playing with your own best interests at heart, not town's"
asa: "lynching a player that I thought was scum IS in the best interests of town"

I think this part was a matter of tone in the quoted post, which doesn't reflect well on asa.
Is it realistic for a townie to come across so confidently?


asa's response to the questions on the vote on Boozer seem reasonable...


Bijou: "he didn't vote for JEANS to get information/ask questions, he voted for JEANS because JEANS was vocal against him"
asa: "that's misrepresentation"

I think I agree with Bijou here; if the questions were supposed to be in the big vs. JEANS post made late in the day that was made more than a week after the initial vote was placed.


OK I think that's it.
I'll write a tl;dr of my main thoughts:
I'd like to see asa go into more depth into his thoughts on the Bijou / JEANS link UP TO the point that he made vs. Bijou Part I
Depending on the above, is it realistic to pursue a Bijou / JEANS link based off Bijou's actions on the night JEANS got lynched?
And (apart from defending himself) he seems to have mainly gone after Bijou again today. Why?

So I think in writing this I became a little more confident on an asa lynch (depending on his next rebuttal).
I think I might still like to lynch Aerodrome more but won't shed any tears. There are a couple of others (I pretty much agree with Lachlan about Boozer and Blaze) that I'm becoming increasingly unsure about as well. Maybe they're all mafia? (maybe none of them are)
I'll put him on L-2 in the morning if he's not already so (but would really like to see another post before then)

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04/16/2019 10:38:42

posting

basically my thoughts on asa are yeah i can empathize with thinking jeans was mafia because i thought the same due to trying to metagame and came out looking kinda like a dumbass. but in day 2 it still feels like he's been going pretty hard on bijou which i kinda don't get? dont really see bijou as too suspicious, and feel like there's a lot of other players to talk about but asa seems pretty tunnel visioned on bijou / how ppl interact with bijou. i reckon ive barely seen him voice any sort of opinion on like, 3/4 of the game's players.

as such i'm keeping my vote on him for now. my second choice would be boozer then.. i guess aero? not convinced hes maf, the way he defends himself drives me up the wall though. would take a bit more for me to vote him over boozer.

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04/16/2019 15:29:42