Honestly forgot about Kevin and Peahnuts when I made my list, if I did mine again they would be around the mark. I was under the impression that Pudgeyboy hadn't entered anything super recently though.
06/06/2016 13:02:39
dean said:
Honestly forgot about Kevin and Peahnuts when I made my list, if I did mine again they would be around the mark. I was under the impression that Pudgeyboy hadn't entered anything super recently though.
That's sorta what I'm getting out. People just forget about WA. If they didn't forget, they just try to downplay their victories or achievements and try to write them off as luck or something like that. This in a nutshell is the east coast bias.
06/06/2016 13:16:45
You're trying to make this whole thing about me when it's not. You seemed to have missed the part where people didn't even mention Peahnuts. Take a step back to think and realise that you could be wrong.[/quote]
Incorrect. The same can be said about anyone who feels the same way you do.
Besides its pretty clear that Orion is seen as the best falcon, and Poppt1 is the best Ness.
The only case that can be made with what you're saying is Peahnuts. Even then that is from recent results, while most of these lists are from months ago.
06/06/2016 13:29:49
Incorrect. The same can be said about anyone who feels the same way you do.
Besides its pretty clear that Orion is seen as the best falcon, and Poppt1 is the best Ness.
The only case that can be made with what you're saying is Peahnuts. Even then that is from recent results, while most of these lists are from months ago.
06/06/2016 13:29:49
people forget about WA because a) the amount of interaction between WA and every other scene is comparatively little (first was really DIAD and only poppt stood out, SXC was basically just joel, none at smashbox, BAM was the main one but like maribro said it was one event) and b) due to this it's hard to look at WA results and say "wow that's a pretty legit win" aside from like, when someone beats poppt. if your players aren't leaving an impression at interstate events that make people consider them as the best of their character, then that isn't the east coast's fault really. this is why people said kira > peahnuts, cause even though she's in a slump recently her out of state results pre-bam have been consistently impressive. remember that time she won your major?
like, all the east coast scenes have long established histories with many of our top players being brawl vets that have played for years against each other, whereas WA doesn't have that, so it's hard to point at victories in your scene and use them as proof cause the reference points aren't nearly as good.
for the record i think joel is closer to someone like scabe than attila (from the perspective of someone who has played all 3 of them). his edgeguarding, mindgames and neutral aren't as good. he's better at not SDing tho.
06/06/2016 13:38:42
like, all the east coast scenes have long established histories with many of our top players being brawl vets that have played for years against each other, whereas WA doesn't have that, so it's hard to point at victories in your scene and use them as proof cause the reference points aren't nearly as good.
for the record i think joel is closer to someone like scabe than attila (from the perspective of someone who has played all 3 of them). his edgeguarding, mindgames and neutral aren't as good. he's better at not SDing tho.
06/06/2016 13:38:42
MrL said:
You're trying to make this whole thing about me when it's not. You seemed to have missed the part where people didn't even mention Peahnuts. Take a step back to think and realise that you could be wrong.
Incorrect. The same can be said about anyone who feels the same way you do.
Besides its pretty clear that Orion is seen as the best falcon, and Poppt1 is the best Ness.
The only case that can be made with what you're saying is Peahnuts. Even then that is from recent results, while most of these lists are from months ago.
To be honest it just sounds like you're repeating things you've heard other people say without thinking at all. I don't understand how you can legitimately say me/Kevin have no case for sheik when Eternal and I both lost to the same person with the difference being only a set. Even the recent lists made no mention of Peahnuts.
Extra said:
people forget about WA because a) the amount of interaction between WA and every other scene is comparatively little (first was really DIAD and only poppt stood out, SXC was basically just joel, none at smashbox, BAM was the main one but like maribro said it was one event) and b) due to this it's hard to look at WA results and say "wow that's a pretty legit win" aside from like, when someone beats poppt. if your players aren't leaving an impression at interstate events that make people consider them as the best of their character, then that isn't the east coast's fault really. this is why people said kira > peahnuts, cause even though she's in a slump recently her out of state results pre-bam have been consistently impressive. remember that time she won your major?
like, all the east coast scenes have long established histories with many of our top players being brawl vets that have played for years against each other, whereas WA doesn't have that, so it's hard to point at victories in your scene and use them as proof cause the reference points aren't nearly as good.
for the record i think joel is closer to someone like scabe than attila (from the perspective of someone who has played all 3 of them). his edgeguarding, mindgames and neutral aren't as good. he's better at not SDing tho.
You made a lot of good points though I feel like you're holding onto old results too strongly. Smash 4 is new and people can improve quickly. Recent results are much more relevant over ones that happen close to a year ago. I understand what you're saying but there's still clearly preference to eastern players with players not being mentioned/all the other stuff I've already said. How long does somebody have to be in a slump before you just admit that everyone else has just improved?
I understand what you're saying about Brawl, but Smash 4 has been out long enough that deciding who's a good player based on Brawl is really, really outdated. Skill is skill no matter who you're playing.
From when I played, Attila is really good at ledgetrapping/guarding but had a linear neutral which was sorta easy to exploit. I'd say Joel's strength is in his neutral and combos/followups. But yeah I was just giving another example of another good Perth player who's overlooked.
06/06/2016 14:14:56
Like, I'm gonna john so hard for attila but he played like fucking shit at BAM8. Which sucks because its like his only fucking chance to prove himself. No OoS players (Besides SA people) have a reason to believe Attila is any good, which is why I understand people don't value him as much, but he is truly an incredible player, when he's on, his neutral is top 5 in australia. Unfortunately he played like shiiiiiiit at BAM8 so I don't really expect people to be swayed by my post, but if you currently don't think he's that good, just keep an eye out for him incase he goes OoS again, you might be surprised. On top of this, cmk, There is bias, undoubtedly, but thats because we only get to play your players 2 times a year, and say one of those times your guys weren't playing our perception would be skewed from what you think. On top of that you guys just can't stack up to east coast numbers, statistically the game aint fair for y'all. More numbers = More chance for good players to pop up = more competition for the top 3 spot = people need to play their ass off and get better. You're annoyed that so many people are putting east coast over west coast cunnies but fam, we're the 3 best states in the game right now. Melbourne Alone has 200 active players (People who at least attend a tournament a month)
06/07/2016 02:55:21
06/07/2016 02:55:21
06/07/2016 03:23:49
Everyone is bias against me
I am best ganondorf.
i cry now. stop this senseless bias.
06/07/2016 03:28:23
I am best ganondorf.
i cry now. stop this senseless bias.
06/07/2016 03:28:23
How is Archaze not the best Corrin in these lists? That's anti-QLD bias right there. :-O
06/07/2016 04:42:56
06/07/2016 04:42:56
Because Rhyno proved to be pretty good with corrin when he versed Mr R
06/07/2016 05:08:19
06/07/2016 05:08:19
Because he's never travelled outside QLD, and like I'm assuming is the case for most non-QLDers in this thread, I had no idea he even played Corrin at all. You can't say it's biased when we can't realistically be expected to know about it.
06/07/2016 05:10:21
06/07/2016 05:10:21
Pudge said:
Like, I'm gonna john so hard for attila but he played like fucking shit at BAM8. Which sucks because its like his only fucking chance to prove himself. No OoS players (Besides SA people) have a reason to believe Attila is any good, which is why I understand people don't value him as much, but he is truly an incredible player, when he's on, his neutral is top 5 in australia. Unfortunately he played like shiiiiiiit at BAM8 so I don't really expect people to be swayed by my post, but if you currently don't think he's that good, just keep an eye out for him incase he goes OoS again, you might be surprised. On top of this, cmk, There is bias, undoubtedly, but thats because we only get to play your players 2 times a year, and say one of those times your guys weren't playing our perception would be skewed from what you think. On top of that you guys just can't stack up to east coast numbers, statistically the game aint fair for y'all. More numbers = More chance for good players to pop up = more competition for the top 3 spot = people need to play their ass off and get better. You're annoyed that so many people are putting east coast over west coast cunnies but fam, we're the 3 best states in the game right now. Melbourne Alone has 200 active players (People who at least attend a tournament a month)
I feel like you're misunderstanding what I'm getting at. I said multiple times that Attila is very good. Something else to think about is how good someone can be seen as if they're apparently a top player in Australia but only make tied 17th at BAM8. Consistency is part of what makes a player good.
Again you're not really reading what I'm saying. I never said WA should occupy the majority of the spots, you're putting those words in my mouth. I'm just saying that's there are characters that WA have contention for that people simply dismiss.
kiraboshi said:
I think it's telling that instead of defending yourself or discussing the topic at hand, you just post gif instead. Humility is important.
Invisi said:
Because he's never travelled outside QLD, and like I'm assuming is the case for most non-QLDers in this thread, I had no idea he even played Corrin at all. You can't say it's biased when we can't realistically be expected to know about it.
He was being sarcastic. It seems that some of the people here lack critical thinking skills and resort to sarcastic comments/images when their opinions are challenged.
06/07/2016 05:48:29
QLD rulez WA droolz
06/07/2016 06:28:07
06/07/2016 06:28:07
crabs said:
QLD rulez WA droolz
"QLD" Hm, that's a funny way to spell NSW. All three letters are wrong! I nearly didn't recognise the typo, thankfully the context gave it away.
06/07/2016 06:40:23
06/07/2016 06:45:37
nsw sux lol
06/07/2016 07:29:41
06/07/2016 07:29:41
Guys chill.
06/07/2016 07:45:11
06/07/2016 07:45:11
no u
06/07/2016 07:46:45
06/07/2016 07:46:45
Don't make me press B.
06/07/2016 08:06:34
06/07/2016 08:06:34
cmk are you braindamaged, kira was just fucking joking around and then you call out someone else for not picking up on it in the same post
thats next level idiot
06/07/2016 08:18:19
thats next level idiot
06/07/2016 08:18:19
06/07/2016 08:20:44
nikes personally said to me he felt cmk was a better sheik than eternal. and Kevin has been considered a better sheik than cmk for a straight year until he stopped attending recently #giveusbestsheik
06/07/2016 08:36:59
06/07/2016 08:36:59
Scott said:
cmk are you braindamaged, kira was just fucking joking around and then you call out someone else for not picking up on it in the same post
thats next level idiot
You're either young or just super immature because you have no idea what you're talking about. Think before you type. I'm gonna use this as my cue to go, I can see nothing constructive is going to be achieved. At the very least you can see how differently people can view this topic, Jezmo thinking there is no bias, Extra saying there's a bit of bias and Pudge admitting there is a bias. Hopefully people reflect on what I said and push themselves to adopt varying viewpoints on the situation.
06/07/2016 08:43:52
AzureWolf said:
How is Archaze not the best Corrin in these lists? That's anti-QLD bias right there. :-O
Because there's probably more than 5 other people in Australia with a better Corrin than archaze
Poppt1 said:
nikes personally said to me he felt cmk was a better sheik than eternal. and Kevin has been considered a better sheik than cmk for a straight year until he stopped attending recently #giveusbestsheik
I'd give you guys best sheik if I wasn't the best sheik.
06/07/2016 09:35:36
Did people not get that he was being sarcastic?
Or do I not get that people are being sarcastic in response?
Jesus, communicating via text is a pain in the arse...
EDIT: I also do think Ghost is probably the best Sheik, but I haven't seen it come out in ages.
06/07/2016 09:37:17
Or do I not get that people are being sarcastic in response?
Jesus, communicating via text is a pain in the arse...
EDIT: I also do think Ghost is probably the best Sheik, but I haven't seen it come out in ages.
06/07/2016 09:37:17