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MrL said:

JonCheee said:
the only people from the top of my head who are still alive and had chats with cubt was maribro and mrL i think

With myself thinking CubT was town, and not suss. While Maribro was suspicious of him and blatantly saying he was mostl likely maf, of all people.

CubT is the second person who has died who had doubts about Maribro being town.. With cAKE being mafia of course, but likely to gain attention to try and be brought in by the mafia. Another mafia would be the best to act suss toward when trying to get in to the team because if they do get lynched, everyone would think the person targeted by mafia would be town. Could've been just a poor play by cAKE though.

Also, this is the second top player who has died (after Urisk) when imo Maribro would've been a higher up choice than those two.

Second top player died?

We should have a Mafia tier list!

I was going to make one just then but I will do it when I have time so I can include everyone who has played Mafia on QLDsmash ever

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04/27/2016 12:55:55

EVIDENCE.RIP

sorry fam they got me <3

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04/27/2016 12:56:03

Wooy said:

MrL said:

JonCheee said:
the only people from the top of my head who are still alive and had chats with cubt was maribro and mrL i think

With myself thinking CubT was town, and not suss. While Maribro was suspicious of him and blatantly saying he was mostl likely maf, of all people.

CubT is the second person who has died who had doubts about Maribro being town.. With cAKE being mafia of course, but likely to gain attention to try and be brought in by the mafia. Another mafia would be the best to act suss toward when trying to get in to the team because if they do get lynched, everyone would think the person targeted by mafia would be town. Could've been just a poor play by cAKE though.

Also, this is the second top player who has died (after Urisk) when imo Maribro would've been a higher up choice than those two.

Second top player died?

We should have a Mafia tier list!

I was going to make one just then but I will do it when I have time so I can include everyone who has played Mafia on QLDsmash ever

Hahah, well the best players in this game imo would be Urisk, Maribro and CubT (With 2 of 3 being dead [hence second top tier]).

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04/27/2016 13:02:27

MrL said:

JonCheee said:
the only people from the top of my head who are still alive and had chats with cubt was maribro and mrL i think

With myself thinking CubT was town, and not suss. While Maribro was suspicious of him and blatantly saying he was mostl likely maf, of all people.

CubT is the second person who has died who had doubts about Maribro being town.. With cAKE being mafia of course, but likely to gain attention to try and be brought in by the mafia. Another mafia would be the best to act suss toward when trying to get in to the team because if they do get lynched, everyone would think the person targeted by mafia would be town. Could've been just a poor play by cAKE though.

Also, this is the second top player who has died (after Urisk) when imo Maribro would've been a higher up choice than those two.

I never said CubT was maf. I said I was suspicious of him, but largely thought the evidence against him was circumstantial. I said it was suspicious how you buddied up with him and wanted to learn more of that relationship. When I called you out for buddying a strong player, you immediately agreed with everything I said and buddied up with me. Now you're accusing me of being scum? Please.

cAKE has no relevance to this. Maf don't know who traitor is, traitor knows who maf are. Whatever it was cAKE was doing, it was a poor play. He misquoted me on several occasions didn't offer any kind of defence except for that pathetic "roast". It makes it virtually impossible to read into what he was trying to do.

Urisk is probably the strongest player that signed up for this game. I don't doubt any mafia team would want him gone as soon as possible. Maybe it's also possible you're trying to set me up like how they set CubT up last in game day. If you were scum (SK or maf) wouldn't it be super convenient to take out CubT, a likely townie so your buddying looks legit?

I'm very suspicious of the way you've been constantly buddying up to certain players, aggressively starting lynches in the first day (as noted by Urisk) and generally playing with 0 consistency. It vaguely reminds me of how Aero would go from Mr. Kiss ass supreme to super aggressive and defensive when he felt threatened or could sense an easy lynch for his side to capitalise on.

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04/27/2016 13:35:00

Agreeing with one or two valid points, and being content at the time with you seemingly explaining the events that occurred is not buddying. Attempting to be on CubT's side when you accuse him of being mafia with very little information is also not buddying, I believe that there should be both sides to an argument. CubT (and I for that matter) was accused of being maf by you, hence I felt the need to help his side to. You incorrectly said I was mafia, so I assumed you would've incorrectly said CubT was mafia, which was the case. Alongside starting the vote on yet another town's person.

"CubT and MrL were stalling and wanted an obvious scum player gone from the game."
"MrL or CubT are our best bets for scum at this point."

Everyone other than you had maybe said that CubT and I were acting "odd" but little more than that. You have been actively calling us scummy and maf.

Everyone you have specifically pointed out as scum, has been town so far. Except for cAKE's obvious play of trying to attract mafia of whom you gave many, many warnings.

You are right, maf do not know who the traitor is to begin with.

I'm betting cAKE got the point across to mafia, before he died. He would have targeted you for a reason. He knew who the mafia were. He explicitly made the point that you were playing different; which was insinuating he knew you were not town.

I agreed with his statement that you are playing differently, because to me, you are.

The mafia executioner (why would a town executioner kill him when he was going to die anyway?) had an obvious choice to make. This could turn out very well for mafia.

If he becomes town, it is one less town to worry about. No one will turn to Maribro because many believed he was scum. (He was intentionally very scummy).

If he turns maf, he isn't much of a loss because he's effectively a VT Maf. ADDITIONALLY, you will look incredibly pro-town as the maf guy was going after you, so therefore Maribro could not possibly be maf yeah? No.

There are 3 people in this game who could've come up with that quite easily if they were mafia.

Urisk, CubT and yourself.

Oddly enough, you are the only one still alive, with the other two being town.

So now we have 1 strong player in the game, who was an obvious choice for mafia to take out from the get-go, but is instead the only truly dangerous player for mafia (if you are town).

The fact that CubT also had the same suspicions of you and was Town only furthers my beliefs. CubT (and I for that matter) was accused of being maf by you, hence I felt the need to help his side to give another side to the situation, especially as I was getting more town vibes from him, than from you.*

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04/28/2016 00:24:45

Because why not, Vote: BattleDolphin because you have yet to be active today, no other reason..............

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04/28/2016 01:15:14

i honestly feel like that is a horrible reason to vote someone on day 4 considering we do have information now. either you dont want to bring too much attention to yourself voting the currently more obvious people because you're maf, or you're just not very smart.

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04/28/2016 02:22:35

Or I have magical night Intel that tells me something else.........

Or I am just cray cray. But I feel like the mafia would logically be targeting Maribro tonight, targeting me isn't a huge win for them, as I am bad at this game. Like if I was to guess the order of who they would kill

Maribro (I strongly believe is town aligned)
MrL (I strongly believe is town aligned)
Bijou
SpaceJam
BattleDolphin (I suspect to be mafia)
InsertName
HydroPimp (I suspect to be mafia)
Wooy
LachlanF (I think might be insane)
JonCheee
Haiku

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04/28/2016 02:54:22

sigh do I really have to do this again?

VOTE LachlanF - the meme

But anyway - relevant stuff:
I agree with Mr.L in that it is suss that Maribro is still alive after last night, but Maribro's defense was still strong and fair, and this whole situation between CubT, Mr.L and Maribro could be good for mafia if both Mr.L and Maribro are town, hence the mafia keeping them alive. So I agree with Lachlan (ugh) here that I think they are both town.

Also soz guys will be inactive from tomorrow like 3pm to Monday sometime. Pls don't kill me in the meantime. It could be good for maf because they're just pressuring to kill each other btw

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04/28/2016 04:42:44

LachlanF said:
Or I have magical night Intel that tells me something else.........

Or I am just cray cray. But I feel like the mafia would logically be targeting Maribro tonight, targeting me isn't a huge win for them, as I am bad at this game.

Like if I was to guess the order of who they would kill

Maribro (I strongly believe is town aligned)
MrL (I strongly believe is town aligned)
Bijou
SpaceJam
BattleDolphin (I suspect to be mafia)
InsertName
HydroPimp (I suspect to be mafia)
Wooy
LachlanF (I think might be insane)
JonCheee
Haiku

This is an interesting list.

I'm not sure whether Mafia want to kill Maribro assuming he's town, because some people believe he's suss so why kill him if town will do it for you? Likewise with Mr. L I'm not sure whether Mafia are going to target suss players unless it helps them look like town or makes town suss of other town members.

Also maybe it's time to pressure Haiku again? Although I doubt this will achieve very much.

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04/28/2016 05:32:26

Wooy said:

LachlanF said:
Or I have magical night Intel that tells me something else.........

Or I am just cray cray. But I feel like the mafia would logically be targeting Maribro tonight, targeting me isn't a huge win for them, as I am bad at this game.

Like if I was to guess the order of who they would kill

Maribro (I strongly believe is town aligned)
MrL (I strongly believe is town aligned)
Bijou
SpaceJam
BattleDolphin (I suspect to be mafia)
InsertName
HydroPimp (I suspect to be mafia)
Wooy
LachlanF (I think might be insane)
JonCheee
Haiku

This is an interesting list.

I'm not sure whether Mafia want to kill Maribro assuming he's town, because some people believe he's suss so why kill him if town will do it for you? Likewise with Mr. L I'm not sure whether Mafia are going to target suss players unless it helps them look like town or makes town suss of other town members.

Also maybe it's time to pressure Haiku again? Although I doubt this will achieve very much.

Pressuring Haiku would be nice, but it's not like we can even afford to lynch him if he's inactive (assuming town) it is day 4 already lmao

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04/28/2016 06:05:30

there are too many in active players which hurts the town

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04/28/2016 07:21:41

InsertName said:
there are too many in active players

which hurts the town

yes

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04/28/2016 07:22:21

I can't be bothered going back to check but I don't think Haiku or Hydro have posted for like several days. Granted that the night phase took like 24 hours but seriously can we get a mod to like give them a kick up the ass or something?

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04/28/2016 07:36:34

im bored this is boring lets pressure this guy see what happens why not
vote:spacejam
if you had beat deez i wouldnt be voting for you

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04/28/2016 07:50:03

hello yes i am not maf pls do not pressure me (dog) how could you turn on a fellow dk main (i cant change my main because it causes issues with the site)

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04/28/2016 08:08:49

SpaceJam said:
hello yes i am not maf pls do not pressure me (dog)

how could you turn on a fellow dk main (i cant change my main because it causes issues with the site)

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04/28/2016 08:17:58

Aero admitted he is maf raid boss out of bread.

I screencapped it to verify

Vote: Aero (dog)
Also that was before i am a wonderful dk main.

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04/28/2016 08:18:27

Once again sorry bout inactivity. School is annoying :P

IMO LachlanF and Hydro are looking sus. They both vote for random players, perhaps baiting a bandwagon to try and kill townies?

IMO voting for maribro is kinda a 50/50 (not just town or maf (dog)). On one hand he has put in some valuable input for town, and on the other hand, as some people have noted, he has exhibited some sus behaviors. I'll hold my vote until we reach a more substantial decision.

also wtf spacejum don't lose to deez

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04/28/2016 08:47:07

MrL said:
Agreeing with one or two valid points, and being content at the time with you seemingly explaining the events that occurred is not buddying. Attempting to be on CubT's side when you accuse him of being mafia with very little information is also not buddying, I believe that there should be both sides to an argument. CubT (and I for that matter) was accused of being maf by you, hence I felt the need to help his side to. You incorrectly said I was mafia, so I assumed you would've incorrectly said CubT was mafia, which was the case. Alongside starting the vote on yet another town's person.

"CubT and MrL were stalling and wanted an obvious scum player gone from the game."
"MrL or CubT are our best bets for scum at this point."

Everyone other than you had maybe said that CubT and I were acting "odd" but little more than that. You have been actively calling us scummy and maf.

Everyone you have specifically pointed out as scum, has been town so far. Except for cAKE's obvious play of trying to attract mafia of whom you gave many, many warnings.

You are right, maf do not know who the traitor is to begin with.

I'm betting cAKE got the point across to mafia, before he died. He would have targeted you for a reason. He knew who the mafia were. He explicitly made the point that you were playing different; which was insinuating he knew you were not town.

I agreed with his statement that you are playing differently, because to me, you are.

The mafia executioner (why would a town executioner kill him when he was going to die anyway?) had an obvious choice to make. This could turn out very well for mafia.

If he becomes town, it is one less town to worry about. No one will turn to Maribro because many believed he was scum. (He was intentionally very scummy).

If he turns maf, he isn't much of a loss because he's effectively a VT Maf. ADDITIONALLY, you will look incredibly pro-town as the maf guy was going after you, so therefore Maribro could not possibly be maf yeah? No.

There are 3 people in this game who could've come up with that quite easily if they were mafia.

Urisk, CubT and yourself.

Oddly enough, you are the only one still alive, with the other two being town.

So now we have 1 strong player in the game, who was an obvious choice for mafia to take out from the get-go, but is instead the only truly dangerous player for mafia (if you are town).

The fact that CubT also had the same suspicions of you and was Town only furthers my beliefs.

CubT (and I for that matter) was accused of being maf by you, hence I felt the need to help his side to give another side to the situation, especially as I was getting more town vibes from him, than from you.*

Good post but I still have some issues with some of the points you've made.

I did not accuse him of being Mafia, no, I merely found some of his behaviours strange and the circumstances surrounding him to be suspicious. I never directly stated he was mafia, just that he was particularly suspicious (he was, like it or not). You were too and so was FramesJanco. I clearly outlined why I thought you three in particular were suspicious. If I had thought you to actually be maf, why would I have voted for anyone else? I merely wanted to pressure you guys for information which would be of the town's benefit so they can either trust you or lynch you. I did not get a chance to question Adam as he is unfortunately no longer with us, however, you are and I feel the need to press further on my Suss radar. Your defence of him seemed… overly reactive considering the very little amount of pressure I had put on him. When cAKE was spouting nonsense about me to the whole group I was roughly as defensive as you were when I insinuated that Adam was suss (he was, circumstances indicated him to be prime scum).

Yeah I started a vote on Frames, but can you really blame me? His action in pushing for a random lynch on day 3 was very scummy. As I stated, if I were maf, the thought of a townie pushing for a random lynch on day 3 would have been highly enticing. That on top of his pushing for a no lynch on day 1 when I had already posted that this was a bad idea. He smelt of scum and to imply that me starting a wagon on him is evidence of me being Maf is stupid.

Urisk called you out more than once while he was alive and was much more overt with his deductions on you than I was. I have said that you are suspicious; and you are. That point cannot be denied.

1) You aggressively tried to start multiple wagons in the early part of the game
2) You highlighted a top player as someone we should lynch for the sake of some extremely questionable logic… then when you were called out by it you said it was a bait. Who sided with you at that point? CubT Obviously there is no link there, however, it was part of my reasoning for why I thought there was a link between you two
3) Urisk dying night 2 after calling you out on more than one occasion. Trying to silence the one who knows the truth?
4) CubT dying night 3. Trying to pin the guilt on me so town can take out a player so you don't have to?

I've specifically pointed two people as scum so far and I have been right with a 50% success rate. If you think my logic for my votes was flawed or otherwise incorrect, why don't you actually say that instead of saying "he tried to lynch two people and one was townie so therefore he's maf!" Once again, you appear to be mixing up me highlighting people as suspicious and downright calling them maf. I've highlighted many people as suspicious this game, including but not limited to:

BattleDolphin
MrL
FramesJanco
Corvid
Bijou
CubT
cAKE

Of those only two of them I have been convinced were maf; cAKE and Frames.

Your points about cAKE are all over the place. First you say Maf don't know who he is and that he was trying to "get the point across" and highlighting myself as definite scum, reasoning being that I was playing differently. If he's maf aligned why would he do this? Why would he try and draw attention to me specifically and make me look guilty? Then you go on to say that there are only three players that could have come up with a strategy like this… but, Maf have no communication with traitors. There can't possibly be a strategy or a ploy or anything at all.

Please make up your mind about what cAKE was doing. I'm so utterly confused reading your post that I don't really know what to take away from it at all.

Lastly, there have only been two nights where strong players could have died thanks to the Laggyrod. I've been lucky to last this long but I honestly think the maf are playing the long game and trying to set me up for a lynch so they can focus their NK elsewhere.

Just because CubT was town and suss of me doesn't make me any less town or you any more. Remember when everyone thought I was maf in the smashbox game? BattleDolphin and CubT were both convinced that I was Maf but then I flipped town. Were they maf? No. Oh yeah and if you want to pin me as maf, you're gonna have to do better than

"you're playing differently this time"

It's a different game with different players and roles I've never played with before. As far as I'm concerned the way I've treated this game has been the same as all the others.

That and you can't even prove I've been playing differently. Please actually provide tangible evidence.

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04/28/2016 09:44:32

I say you're playing the same cause you wrote an essay when someone soft voted you :dog:

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04/28/2016 09:48:56

SpaceJam said:
I say you're playing the same cause you wrote an essay when someone soft voted you :dog:

Constructive as always, Dale

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04/28/2016 09:49:32

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04/28/2016 09:52:51

Hmm, you have some good points.

However, I did not try to bandwagon multiple people day one. I only voted once, for Corvid.

I don't really care what you think it was, but it was a bait so you can falsely paint that all you like.

your 3rd point is where you begin to actually make sense, however the same could be said with CubT, who was Town as well as me.

Again point 3 and 4 can be applied to you but in reverse. You killed Urisk to frame me, and killed CubT because he was on to you.. So your failed point is moot.

Whether you used the specific words or not is irrelevant. You strongly felt CubT and I were mafia, alongside with Frames; making only 25% of your 'claims' to be accurate. With cAKE making it obvious for maf to recognise him as the traitor.

If you'd bother to read it, you would realise I was clearly stating that cAKE was acting independently and hoping to be recognised by mafia by acting sus. Assuming you are the strong player in mafia (as you are the last of the top 3), you recognised this as an opportunity. If he turned town then it's one less town to worry about, everyone thought him to be irrational so you would not be targeted by town. If he turned maf, then you look great and you didn't lose much.

It makes no sense for mafia to keep you alive if you were town. Then you'd do more damage. It makes more sense you are maf and that's why the other 2 strong players died instead of you.


However... If you truly are town, then I feel we put each other aside for now and instead focus on others to contribute more, instead of it being a bicker between the two of us.

I am intrigued with what Lachlan had to say.. Would be good if we got more explanation/information from him.

At the same time though he's been a bit scummy with random votes, but I think that's Lachlan being Lachlan, unfortunately.

Interesting to note though, that I agree with your list of sus people on Bijou. Get a strange vibe from him. Although a more profound vibe from Haiku. Still practically nothing to go off of. Pinning you with acting differently, no. Acknowledging, yes. You're not as self-righteous this time round, which is a good improvement.

You may try and write off one very minor addition to my post as being intangible, but even that is more tangible than anything you have on me.

What do you have? Ah yes

- Pretending a bait was legitimate and awkwardly trying to use that as suspicious behavior, regardless of you pulling this assumption out of your ass
- Me defending a Town player when you were very suspicious of him and referring to him as scum and/or scummy multiple times
- Trying to apply the accusations of killing one person to frame and another to silence, when both could easily work if you had killed them
- Deciding you can't read english when any and all explanation is given how you could've easily figured out cAKE was the traitor and acted accordingly. I would like to see what others have to say about Maribro and I and if either are getting on to something. As well as to just talk a bit more and get this game chugging.

I also think we should focus on pressuring people who are hardly talking to get them to help Town, or just leave so we don't have to wait for days on end for more perspectives (and for night actions).

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04/28/2016 11:33:20

Well I did read that essay you both posted and I figured I should post some form on analysis.

At the moment I'm not 100% sure of who is maf. MrL did seem to support CubT who did turn out to be Town. However if I was mafia I would support a townie (easy to do since you know who is town) and then proceed to kill them. Bam insta nice guy.

I do feel at the moment MrL's points are a bit stronger than Maribro's. The way I see things the most optimal thing to do for this day is to lynch one of you. You're both seem like good players but I personally feel like one of you is maf. I have no idea who though.

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04/28/2016 11:50:47