I should probably just be lynched as collateral damage tbh at least you guys would gain some info and is what I was hoping would happen last night. Hence the post.
If you guys honestly think that Nobody else in the game is worth lynching tn go for it but be prepared for me to flip town.
03/10/2016 14:49:58
Maribro said:
I'm honestly convinced that there wouldn't be a Mafia governor. You'll see why if I die.
I honestly think that the governor just messed up and doesn't want to claim the shit storm they've created
Either way I'm definitely town and nothing any of you say or conclude will change that.
You guys are still jumping to way too many conclusions to justify your theories
They're all gonna be proven wrong when I die
can you not softclaim? you're about to die, saying "you'll understand when I die" is basically DONT LYNCH ME IM IMPORTANT BUT ITS A SECRET
and it's shitty
on a lighter note
what do you think we should do "when" you flip town? btw your opinion on what we should do if you flip town is actually very important, if you're confirmed town then whatever you say now can actually be useful for us even if you're dead so start talking atm all you're providing us with is "you're all gonna look dumb LOL go mafia" which is pretty anti town
03/10/2016 15:27:27
Everything I said yesterday still stands today except hydro pump is definitely a townie I'm saying you'll understand because I'll flip town
Why would the maf stop a townie being lynched
03/10/2016 16:07:53
Why would the maf stop a townie being lynched
03/10/2016 16:07:53
Okay guys. I think there is an incredibly good chance the CubT's character has the insane trait. I've been re-reading this entire thread (Got to page 39 at the time of posting this)
I firmly believe this is CubT's role.
"You are LEF, The (Insane) Tournament Organizer. Watch, Track, Investigate"
Reasoning
Day 1 -> Investigate Pazx, Busdrivered to cAKE.
cAKE was shown as anti-town.
Day 2 -> Watched Maribro.
No one visited.
From looking at the mafia scum website I found a list of sanities. Surprisingly the Longshot/CubT issue is resolved by this.
"An insane Cop receives a guilty result for Town members, and an innocent result for Mafia members."
This proves day 1 for cAKE's report
"An insane Tracker receives the results of a sane Watcher, and vice versa."
He watched Maribro. Since he is INSANE he tracked Maribro.
I firmly believe this is CubT's role and what happened.
I am super tired and this is probably out of left field but it clears up both Longshot and CubT. As for the wording on what CubT received it could be Dean making it harder to figure out. (More fun that way!) Also sorry if anyone figured it out before. It's my first game and I was really excited that I figured something out.
03/10/2016 16:18:41
I firmly believe this is CubT's role.
"You are LEF, The (Insane) Tournament Organizer. Watch, Track, Investigate"
Reasoning
Day 1 -> Investigate Pazx, Busdrivered to cAKE.
cAKE was shown as anti-town.
Day 2 -> Watched Maribro.
No one visited.
From looking at the mafia scum website I found a list of sanities. Surprisingly the Longshot/CubT issue is resolved by this.
"An insane Cop receives a guilty result for Town members, and an innocent result for Mafia members."
This proves day 1 for cAKE's report
"An insane Tracker receives the results of a sane Watcher, and vice versa."
He watched Maribro. Since he is INSANE he tracked Maribro.
I firmly believe this is CubT's role and what happened.
I am super tired and this is probably out of left field but it clears up both Longshot and CubT. As for the wording on what CubT received it could be Dean making it harder to figure out. (More fun that way!) Also sorry if anyone figured it out before. It's my first game and I was really excited that I figured something out.
03/10/2016 16:18:41
Actually, I'm the head admin on QLDSmash. I can use the website to find data on you all.
Data doesn't lie fam Also SpaceJum, care to link us to the info about Insane Watcher/Tracker?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher
It's not there.
03/10/2016 18:18:56
Data doesn't lie fam Also SpaceJum, care to link us to the info about Insane Watcher/Tracker?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher
It's not there.
03/10/2016 18:18:56
lol im a role
03/10/2016 22:16:51
03/10/2016 22:16:51
Maribro said:
Everything I said yesterday still stands today except hydro pump is definitely a townie I'm saying you'll understand because I'll flip town
Why would the maf stop a townie being lynched
You're not being very helpful.
03/10/2016 22:20:39
How I feel playing this sick twisted game with so many people.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNKVzVAqUk
03/10/2016 22:24:40
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKNKVzVAqUk
03/10/2016 22:24:40
SpaceJam said:
Okay guys. I think there is an incredibly good chance the CubT's character has the insane trait. I've been re-reading this entire thread (Got to page 39 at the time of posting this)
I firmly believe this is CubT's role.
"You are LEF, The (Insane) Tournament Organizer. Watch, Track, Investigate"
Reasoning
Day 1 -> Investigate Pazx, Busdrivered to cAKE.
cAKE was shown as anti-town.
Day 2 -> Watched Maribro.
No one visited.
From looking at the mafia scum website I found a list of sanities. Surprisingly the Longshot/CubT issue is resolved by this.
"An insane Cop receives a guilty result for Town members, and an innocent result for Mafia members."
This proves day 1 for cAKE's report
"An insane Tracker receives the results of a sane Watcher, and vice versa."
He watched Maribro. Since he is INSANE he tracked Maribro.
I firmly believe this is CubT's role and what happened.
I am super tired and this is probably out of left field but it clears up both Longshot and CubT. As for the wording on what CubT received it could be Dean making it harder to figure out. (More fun that way!) Also sorry if anyone figured it out before. It's my first game and I was really excited that I figured something out.
Yaaaas this is what I thought the whole time! ;D xD not taking any credit though I suck at explaining lol
03/10/2016 22:39:20
CubT said:
Actually, I'm the head admin on QLDSmash. I can use the website to find data on you all.
Data doesn't lie fam Also SpaceJum, care to link us to the info about Insane Watcher/Tracker?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher
It's not there.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sanities I feel like with this a long of suspect people are now cleared. Maribro is probably one of the few suspect people remaining.
The soft claim he did was extremely suspect, at this point in time where people are already discussing roles I imagine that if you had a role beneficial to the town it would be best to claim it. Rather than throwing things out such as "You'll be sorry"
03/10/2016 23:09:18
Hey guys, I haven't reread the full 50(!) pages of the thread yet, but by following the thread since the start I'm kinda in the loop about the town's current dilemma. What it boils down to is that the town needs to address 2 things:
- How Maribro survived the lynch during the previous day
- CubT's and LtLongshot's somewhat contradictory statements
If possible, we'll also need to address what actually happened during the previous night, as why there were no deaths despite being two confirmed kill powers running around. As I said before, I'm busy today so I won't be as active, but if you want me to chime in on anything just ask. I'll clarify my thoughts on those 2 points as today progresses.
Also, a few other things:
- It's in our best interest not to assume convoluted role set-ups at this point, despite what a mess of a game the previous one was. Bad assumptions often lead town astray, and the simplest answer is often the correct one (Occam's Razor)
- Please don't vote for HydroPimp... just don't
03/10/2016 23:11:52
- How Maribro survived the lynch during the previous day
- CubT's and LtLongshot's somewhat contradictory statements
If possible, we'll also need to address what actually happened during the previous night, as why there were no deaths despite being two confirmed kill powers running around. As I said before, I'm busy today so I won't be as active, but if you want me to chime in on anything just ask. I'll clarify my thoughts on those 2 points as today progresses.
Also, a few other things:
- It's in our best interest not to assume convoluted role set-ups at this point, despite what a mess of a game the previous one was. Bad assumptions often lead town astray, and the simplest answer is often the correct one (Occam's Razor)
- Please don't vote for HydroPimp... just don't
03/10/2016 23:11:52
I'm not soft claiming anything. I just have no idea why a Mafia governor would save a townie. It's illogical. When I die you'll see that.
03/10/2016 23:17:35
03/10/2016 23:17:35
I must have imagined the soft claim (I was reading it at 3am)
However the line I did note was
"I'm honestly convinced that there wouldn't be a Mafia governor. You'll see why if I die. "
That's a big thing.
03/10/2016 23:36:48
However the line I did note was
"I'm honestly convinced that there wouldn't be a Mafia governor. You'll see why if I die. "
That's a big thing.
03/10/2016 23:36:48
But what would a Mafia governor gain from saving me assuming I am town?
03/10/2016 23:40:08
03/10/2016 23:40:08
Maribro said:
But what would a Mafia governor gain from saving me assuming I am town?
nothing that's why you're mafia.
or in the rare case you are town, they get a wasted lynch on you today for free night kills.
03/10/2016 23:41:20
Maribro said:
I'm not soft claiming anything. I just have no idea why a Mafia governor would save a townie. It's illogical. When I die you'll see that.
Sounds like you're still hiding something from us tbh
03/10/2016 23:41:30
Maribro said:Because you're mafia and/or you're the governor.
But what would a Mafia governor gain from saving me assuming I am town?
03/10/2016 23:43:24
Whatevs you guys are overthinking this.
I'm Hopedealer, Vanilla Townie. I have no special anything. Just kill me if you really think it's the right thing to do but I'm 100% telling the truth and all of you will see.
But honestly, the fact you guys are so arrogant and ignorant to the possibility that I'm town that I actually am tempted to just lynch myself means you guys really aren't thinking outside of the "HE MUST BE MAFIA LOL" train. You won't learn anything without trying to go outside of that.
Pretty confident that Dean's "hell if I know" response to an insane watch result means that CubT is definitely not insane. So we can conclude that there is likely a roleblocker and a framer in play.
03/10/2016 23:47:50
I'm Hopedealer, Vanilla Townie. I have no special anything. Just kill me if you really think it's the right thing to do but I'm 100% telling the truth and all of you will see.
But honestly, the fact you guys are so arrogant and ignorant to the possibility that I'm town that I actually am tempted to just lynch myself means you guys really aren't thinking outside of the "HE MUST BE MAFIA LOL" train. You won't learn anything without trying to go outside of that.
Pretty confident that Dean's "hell if I know" response to an insane watch result means that CubT is definitely not insane. So we can conclude that there is likely a roleblocker and a framer in play.
03/10/2016 23:47:50
Maribro said:
Pretty confident that Dean's "hell if I know" response to an insane watch result means that CubT is definitely not insane. So we can conclude that there is likely a roleblocker and a framer in play.
Pretty sure Dean is just being vague so as to not give us any information for free lol.
03/10/2016 23:51:11
Ghostbone said:
Pretty sure Dean is just being vague so as to not give us any information for free lol.
How has dean acted in previous games?
03/10/2016 23:52:09
SpaceJam said:
Ghostbone said:
Pretty sure Dean is just being vague so as to not give us any information for free lol.
How has dean acted in previous games?
he's very direct and informative when asked to be about how roles act.
03/10/2016 23:54:43
I agree with Ghost - I actually said this a few pages back but no one listened to me. CubT is not insane. 1-shot insane roles are worse than useless, and while Dean has some interesting setups going, he's not that mean.
Here are the most reasonable possible explanations I have come up with for the goings-on of last night:
1. CubT is lying (and probably mafia). This means that:
1a. Longshot is lying OR
1b. The doctor protected Maribro last night OR
1c. Maribro is lying and has night-kill immunity.
2. CubT is telling the truth. This means that:
2a. There is a mafia framer in the game.
2b i. Longshot is lying (and probably mafia) OR
2b ii. Longshot was roleblocked last night
03/11/2016 00:00:32
Here are the most reasonable possible explanations I have come up with for the goings-on of last night:
1. CubT is lying (and probably mafia). This means that:
1a. Longshot is lying OR
1b. The doctor protected Maribro last night OR
1c. Maribro is lying and has night-kill immunity.
2. CubT is telling the truth. This means that:
2a. There is a mafia framer in the game.
2b i. Longshot is lying (and probably mafia) OR
2b ii. Longshot was roleblocked last night
03/11/2016 00:00:32
Maribro said:This is the first convincing thing you've said that is actually somewhat convincing. You're still insulting us which is pretty anti-town.
Whatevs you guys are overthinking this.
I'm Hopedealer, Vanilla Townie. I have no special anything. Just kill me if you really think it's the right thing to do but I'm 100% telling the truth and all of you will see.
But honestly, the fact you guys are so arrogant and ignorant to the possibility that I'm town that I actually am tempted to just lynch myself means you guys really aren't thinking outside of the "HE MUST BE MAFIA LOL" train. You won't learn anything without trying to go outside of that.
Pretty confident that Dean's "hell if I know" response to an insane watch result means that CubT is definitely not insane. So we can conclude that there is likely a roleblocker and a framer in play.
However, your claims can not be proven. Unless you're lynched tbh. If you flip mafia. That's one mafia down, and from there people who you haven't seen as suss could be pressured into giving more information.
If on the rare chance you do flip town, then that may very well confirm your theory, of which we can work from that.
I'd say I'm only 80-85% sure you're mafia now but here we have two plays. Lynch and you are maf. Lynch and you are town.
Depending on the outcome, one of our theories will be proven true and whatever information we have gathered surrounding each theory can be used to go onward and take out more mafia.
Otherwise we'd have to start from scratch.
03/11/2016 00:01:38
How is CubT one shot? I assumed he had the ability to do all 3 roles.
03/11/2016 00:03:51
03/11/2016 00:03:51
^ this is why I've been saying for the last 12 hours that you should explore other avenues
You've wasted the entire day so far asking me things I can't answer. You have a new day and new information and you're beating the same dead horse. Idc if you lynch me or not but ffs try and find out more info before you do.
03/11/2016 00:04:08
You've wasted the entire day so far asking me things I can't answer. You have a new day and new information and you're beating the same dead horse. Idc if you lynch me or not but ffs try and find out more info before you do.
03/11/2016 00:04:08