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Banjo Kazooie/Tooie Mafia | it's a draw

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  3. Banjo Kazooie/Tooie Mafia | it's a draw
Guide: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide
Flash tutorial: http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf

Reading the old games on QLD Smash may give you an indication of how to play the game.
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-game-over.308/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/smash-bros-themed-mafia-game-over-town-wins.316/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-smashbox-v-edition-game-over-vic-and-nsw-mafia-win.323/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-pokken-edition-game-over-town-wins.331/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-users-of-qld-smash-edition-day-5.337/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/co-hosted-fire-emblem-mafia-game-over-mafia-win.344/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-is-back-game-over-mafia-win.385/43#Post83014
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/sun-and-moon-themed-mafia-game-over-town-wins.386/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/paper-mario-thousand-year-door-themed-mafia-day-2.1388/1
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5. Lynching occurs once a majority has been reached.
6. If no majority has been reached upon the deadline, no lynch takes place.
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We've provided our scum with some safeclaims so don't expect it to be a breaking strategy.

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With Yooka-Laylee coming out soon we decided to make a themed game of where it all started, Banjo Kazooie and Tooie!

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Survived:
Maribro, Vanilla Townie
LuminousLucas, Vanilla Townie
BattleDolphin, Vanilla Townie
Ghostbone, Mafia Rolecop

Dead:
ThatLaggyPerson, Mafia Backup, lynched Day 1.
Invisi, Town Mason, killed Night 1.
Windkeeper0, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1.
cAKE, Town Gunsmith, lynched Day 2.
HydroPimp, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 2.
Aerodrome, Town Watcher, killed Night 3.
JLo, Town Courier, lynched Day 4.
Bijou, Town Mason, killed Night 4.
HydroPimp (replacing Extra), Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades, lynched Day 5.
MrL, Odd-night Doctor, killed Night 5.

Notes:
HydroPimp replaced Extra Day 3.
Rhyno 03/22/2017 21:08:26
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MaribroWestern AustraliaMr. Game and Watch
191+ tourneys
Wii U: Oceanblue44
Well I mean I already said I'm happy if you kill me. I'm a vanilla townie and can't really do anything to defend myself. I am tooty and I feel like that's the kind of character that would likely be in this game so if anyone wants to counterclaim me feel free
02/28/2017 12:44:16
BijouVictoriaBowser Jr.
29+ tourneys
Wii U: ShadowRhyno
3DS: 0001-3329-7885
If you're a Townie I'd rather kill someone else lol. Any suggestions?
02/28/2017 12:53:25
MaribroWestern AustraliaMr. Game and Watch
191+ tourneys
Wii U: Oceanblue44
I still don't trust Aero at all but that's apparently just me in this instance so yeah.

I don't really like how Ghost has played but sounds like he's been in a similar situation to me and unable to post regularly. Some decent stuff has been said for MrL and BD being mafia but I'm not convinced 100% on either of them. Lowkey extra could be the key but I really don't know. People are hard to read this game.
02/28/2017 13:27:34
ExtraVictoriaWario
499+ tourneys
Wii U: unwnded
been following along today but haven't been able to put my thoughts down the way i want to, i'll post in the morning
pretty much the lamest post ever but oh well!
02/28/2017 14:38:49
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
Unvote

I need to think about this.

HydroPimp was targeted because he seemed pretty pro-town.

I think the best lynch might actually be MrL, since he jumped on my bandwagon super fast (again). If MrL flips mafia we can probably safely assume that Maribro is town.
I think MrL is the safest lynch today.

Vote: MrL
02/28/2017 23:00:54
ExtraVictoriaWario
499+ tourneys
Wii U: unwnded
interesting to consider that there might not actually be an SK as bijou said - however i was thinking the opposite way from him, that SKs haven't really had much of a chance (at least in the games i've been in) so in a game with less people and less power roles they might actually be able to win. could be unfair to town though. idk, balancing is hard. still it's best to assume the worst rather than get complacent in my opinion.

i was actually thinking aero SK but decided it didn't work. seemed like it worked up until night 2 where he most likely would have killed hydropimp? which makes no sense as hydro was defending him. so overall i don't think he's mafia so he's probably pro-town.

when i was mafia (in the game where i got to actually play), as a general rule we always tried to spread out our votes to reduce connections between each other so it might be worth looking at voting history. for that reason i actually don't think both of maribro and mrL are mafia as going too hard on aero, especially if he gets confirmed pro-town somehow, would basically be a death sentence.

could be even a weird combination like mrL and battledolphin, or also have ghost trying to throw another member under the bus to look pro-town. i was thinking if i ever hosted a game (unlikely) that it'd be funny to have a mafia team full of less 'well known' players and watch all the good players eat themselves.

maribro going for the name claim interests me, cause it doesn't really prove anything. hard to tell if it's a desperate mafia member or a desperate townie. i'll hold off voting for now cause i wanna look at stuff.
02/28/2017 23:11:15
GhostboneSouth AustraliaSteve
336+ tourneys
Wii U: FreeGothitelle
Extra said:
maribro going for the name claim interests me, cause it doesn't really prove anything. hard to tell if it's a desperate mafia member or a desperate townie. i'll hold off voting for now cause i wanna look at stuff.


He only did that cos I suggested he might as well
I'm not sure how relevant character claims are, but it's extra information that may become useful to us at some point.

Maribro said:
I still don't trust Aero at all but that's apparently just me in this instance so yeah.

I don't think he's mafia but I don't trust him either lol
03/01/2017 00:18:25
BijouVictoriaBowser Jr.
29+ tourneys
Wii U: ShadowRhyno
3DS: 0001-3329-7885
I'm okay with going for Mr L at some point but will hold off on voting for now because it only takes 5 votes to lunch at this point.
Lynch*

Why you always do this phone?
03/01/2017 02:28:34
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
LUNCH MR L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03/01/2017 03:24:20
Ben_GoldQueenslandKing K. Rool
201+ tourneys
Switch: SW-2890-3115-0043
Wii U: Benjamin01
Is my rushed post at UQ 28 really all you have to think I'm mafia Aero? I already said all I have to say about it.

Aero's playing irrationally but unfortunately that's not exactly unusual. If anything I'd say he's SK, don't think he's mafia though.

Going for a real hard read but tbh I think there are 3 mafia with laggy being there to fill up space. Those three would be Maribro, Extra and Battledolphin imo. Just from how they've been interacting etc.

Maribro has been very quiet and has played that off as being busy + a roleclaim that literally means nothing as we know mafia have fake roles to claim.

Extra has been playing the same as he has been every time he's mafia. I think that yes, maybe he might've straight-up quit if laggy was on his mafia team, which makes me think that there's 3 mafia with laggy as an extra, as opposed to laggy taking up that extra spot.

Battledolphin - Was away for a week and dean knew, which yes he could've easily PM'd him, but in my experience in mafia, they'd either post in here to let everyone know, or if they were mafia they'd just tell them in the mafia discord. When battledolphin did return, he was very inactive in the second and initially today, having to be called up by the actual players, not the admin. This suggests to me that even though he hasn't been active here, he's been active in the discord.

As for the SK/Vig discussion, I think possible SK is Aero with possible Vig as Luminouslucas.

Aero's playing similarly to when he was SK last, and Luminous' change in style/confidence may be to do with a change in importance of his role.

Obviously all this is far from concrete and just my thoughts.

I'd like JLo to post on what he thinks of the current situation. Unless I missed his last post I don't think he's posted in a while.
03/01/2017 04:23:37
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
MrL said:Is my rushed post at UQ 28 really all you have to think I'm mafia Aero? I already said all I have to say about it.


I believe either you or Maribro are mafia. I'm starting to think less that both of you are and maybe only one of you are. It's entirely possible you both are though. Maribro has said that he's willing to be lynched to prove he isn't Mafia, but are you? You seem much more resistant to the idea.

MrL said:Aero's playing irrationally but unfortunately that's not exactly unusual. If anything I'd say he's SK, don't think he's mafia though.




MrL said:Going for a real hard read but tbh I think there are 3 mafia with laggy being there to fill up space. Those three would be Maribro, Extra and Battledolphin imo. Just from how they've been interacting etc.

Maribro has been very quiet and has played that off as being busy + a roleclaim that literally means nothing as we know mafia have fake roles to claim.


Not likely.

We need to assume the worst, and that is:

No cop
No doctor
SK exists

With an SK in the game and 4 mafia, that would make the anti town roles cover, like, 35% of the player base?

For a game of 14 people, 3.75 true anti town roles would be the appropriate number, thinking there would be 5 is silly.

MrL said:Extra has been playing the same as he has been every time he's mafia. I think that yes, maybe he might've straight-up quit if laggy was on his mafia team, which makes me think that there's 3 mafia with laggy as an extra, as opposed to laggy taking up that extra spot.
I don't buy this.

MrL said:Battledolphin - Was away for a week and dean knew, which yes he could've easily PM'd him, but in my experience in mafia, they'd either post in here to let everyone know, or if they were mafia they'd just tell them in the mafia discord. When battledolphin did return, he was very inactive in the second and initially today, having to be called up by the actual players, not the admin. This suggests to me that even though he hasn't been active here, he's been active in the discord.
This is a possible safeguard to protect Battledolphin if you do get lynched and are mafia. Worth noting this down I think.

MrL said:As for the SK/Vig discussion, I think possible SK is Aero with possible Vig as Luminouslucas.

Aero's playing similarly to when he was SK last, and Luminous' change in style/confidence may be to do with a change in importance of his role.


Nah, if I was SK I would have killed Bijou already.
The more I think about it the more the MrL/BattleDolphin combination appeals to me actually.
03/01/2017 06:43:15
GhostboneSouth AustraliaSteve
336+ tourneys
Wii U: FreeGothitelle
Aerodrome said:
We need to assume the worst, and that is:

No cop
No doctor
SK exists


Do you think the entire town is filled with VTs or something lol.
03/01/2017 07:44:11
Ben_GoldQueenslandKing K. Rool
201+ tourneys
Switch: SW-2890-3115-0043
Wii U: Benjamin01
You're assuming way too much Aero. You go from Maribro and I are definitely mafia to Battledolphin and I must be mafia.. You say there must not be any doctor or cop, while there's definitely a Serial Killer and not a vigilante.

You're a good player and all but I think you're very off with this one. Wouldn't be surprised if you are intentionally spurting out false information to steer town in a certain direction.

To be honest, given all that you've said, you'd be the best lynch to make. You would give town the most information based off of what role you end up being and what assertions you've made. Quite frankly i'd be willing to bet that you're SK or mafia rather than town.

Also, with your comment on an SK + 4 mafia being too many in the game.. Not only do I think it's a vigilante rather than an SK, but it's hardly 4 mafia when 1 of them was a guaranteed Day 1 lynch.
As for those 'safeguards' you think i've made. Feel free to lynch battledolphin lol, I think he's probably mafia.

The more you talk you make me think that the trio is yourself, extra and battledolphin. Especially that you've completely disregarded the theory of 3 mafia reamining, as well as extra possibly being mafia. You've turned my suspicion of battledolphin against me and you're set on their being a Serial Killer, which if they're actually a Vigilante would then force them to claim as such for a free mafia kill.
03/01/2017 08:13:12
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
Ghostbone said:
Aerodrome said:
We need to assume the worst, and that is:

No cop
No doctor
SK exists


Do you think the entire town is filled with VTs or something lol.


That wouldn't surprise me to be honest. I think this game is less power role heavy than usual.

MrL said:
To be honest, given all that you've said, you'd be the best lynch to make. You would give town the most information based off of what role you end up being and what assertions you've made. Quite frankly i'd be willing to bet that you're SK or mafia rather than town.

I'm down for that if it helps town, although I don't see how lynching a townie assists town in this situation. =)
03/01/2017 08:31:30
Ben_GoldQueenslandKing K. Rool
201+ tourneys
Switch: SW-2890-3115-0043
Wii U: Benjamin01
could say the same for your push to lynch me but what is saying that worth?
03/01/2017 08:36:22
JLoVictoriaKirby
27+ tourneys
Wii U: thatdudejono
3DS: 5086-1719-4466
Hello yet again, activity post for the meantime. Apologies for the inactivity.

Addressing the second NK on Night 1 and lack thereof on Night 2, I believe it was either an
- odd night kill power, which might explain why there was no deaths on night 2,
- Vig shot, but no one is owning up to it at this point so unlikely
- there is an SK and one of the NKs hit a bulletproof last night. I'm leaning more towards this because it can explain the Hydro death, which I think was the SK shot

So we have 9 people left:
LuminousLucas
Extra
Maribro
Bijou
JLo
Ghostbone
MrL
BattleDolphin
Aerodrome

Most suss right now is Maribro, Battledolphin and MrL. I have this sinking feeling that Extra is on it as well, but he's been very open about his WIFOM plays ("when/if I was mafia ______ ... ") that he's either an incredibly confident mafia and playing all of us, or a townie.

Maribro is open to being lynched as he mentioned. If this was LyLo, we're screwed if he flips town, but several of you already mentioned that it isn't LyLo. Still makes him suss tho. I'm leaning towards him/MrL/BD as a potential lynch today.
03/01/2017 10:48:04
BijouVictoriaBowser Jr.
29+ tourneys
Wii U: ShadowRhyno
3DS: 0001-3329-7885
Aerodrome said:
Nah, if I was SK I would have killed Bijou already.


I was going to mention this myself earlier. Aero 100% would have night killed me last night if he was SK because he's hella spiteful lol.

Unless Aero is actually trying to win for once and it's a super mind game. But I doubt it.
Surely there is a flavour cop in this game by the way. Otherwise why bother letting us character claim?

Just to show how to run a game with character claims in it? Pshhhh.
I know there was a Gunsmith already but there must be a reason for letting us character claim other than just to show Maribro and Dale how to run a game lol.
Incidentally if we were in Lylo by the way all we need to do is put one more vote on Mr. L and if the mafia don't quick vote to kill him then we're not in Lylo (assuming there are two mafia left).

Mind you, Lylo would only exist if there was not a serial killer right? The game will keep going until an SK dies if there is one.
03/01/2017 11:25:15
GhostboneSouth AustraliaSteve
336+ tourneys
Wii U: FreeGothitelle
If there's two mafia left there's no way we're in lylo
03/01/2017 12:19:37
BattleDolphinQueenslandJigglypuff
424+ tourneys
Wii U: BattleDolphin
3DS: 5429-8245-2326
MrL said:
Battledolphin - Was away for a week and dean knew, which yes he could've easily PM'd him, but in my experience in mafia, they'd either post in here to let everyone know, or if they were mafia they'd just tell them in the mafia discord. When battledolphin did return, he was very inactive in the second and initially today, having to be called up by the actual players, not the admin. This suggests to me that even though he hasn't been active here, he's been active in the discord.


Before I left all i did was PM Dean (i thought he was the main mod as his name is first in the mod list lol), as to whether or not he wanted to have me replaced and stuff, to which he didn't reply and just let rhyno know who let you guys know whenever someone brought up me as inactive (figured he wouldve said it straight away but meh all g), but of course i didnt know all this until after i got back lol.
As i said earlier during the days i am focusing on uni/forgetting about the game :/ which sorta to my credit has been consistent i guess? xD
Also i haven't been called to the thread by anyone lmao except maybe hydro on the saturday earlier in the day just before i was back
Also also if i was in the discord (and active lol) wouldn't i be getting yelled at being told to post more by any competent player xD
did i just pull a hydro
03/01/2017 13:31:47
BijouVictoriaBowser Jr.
29+ tourneys
Wii U: ShadowRhyno
3DS: 0001-3329-7885
The only way we could be in lylo at the moment is if there are 4 mafia and no SK. Which would mean there were 5 mafia at the start of the game lol.

So we should be alright for now.
03/01/2017 13:33:10
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
Like I said yesterday there won't be more than 4 anti town roles because otherwise the game would be imbalanced af.

Not really sure why Mr L keeps insisting there's definitely that many...
03/01/2017 23:09:27
Ben_GoldQueenslandKing K. Rool
201+ tourneys
Switch: SW-2890-3115-0043
Wii U: Benjamin01
it would be dumb to screw over mafia like that by having 1 inactive member and only have 2 remaining from day 1.
03/02/2017 02:15:09
AerodromeQueenslandWolf
96+ tourneys
Mafia games are not balanced around the people who play them.
03/02/2017 03:43:31
LuminousLucasVictoriaLucas
Honestly BD doesn't seem like Mafia to me as it just seems like a role you would just give away.
Wouldn't*
03/02/2017 07:32:35
GhostboneSouth AustraliaSteve
336+ tourneys
Wii U: FreeGothitelle
Can you describe what you mean by that lucas
03/02/2017 08:29:45
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