Luminescent said:
SpaceJam said:
I don't think he is suss? Dude even said he loves me.
:eyes:
Bwahahahahaha.
01/16/2017 08:50:25
Bwahahahahaha.
01/16/2017 08:50:25
okey soz marirbo dont kill me pls.
Extra is probably defending my playstyle cause lastgame he was wrong and I was right. I mean extra is right about my playstyle, the only time people accused me of mafia and i was actually mafia im pretty sure was my first game and the 2nd time i admitted to being mafia to lure the doctor or whatever.Last night we were playing discord mafia and I was mafia and Maribro knew i was mafia by end of day 1 and he had evidence for it, good thing i killed him that game tho. So if Maribro says im town and ya know he has good reasons id probably believe his reasons if i was a unsure townie.
It seems people are still on the mindset of "he hammered a townie so he = suss" or "he disagreed with me and town so he = suss" but they dont look at all the extra details to see it is better for my case being town than worse for it. If anybody actually has any evidence against me being town rather than just feelings than go ahead. Tbh all the 'it's just a feeling' this game have seemed pretty inaccurate so id highly advice using that.
idk about the jlo train. Rn it's just pressure so im fine with it but if we end up lynching a good player just on a gut feeling id recommend against that. Let's see how he defends himself before anything though.
01/16/2017 08:50:59
Extra is probably defending my playstyle cause lastgame he was wrong and I was right. I mean extra is right about my playstyle, the only time people accused me of mafia and i was actually mafia im pretty sure was my first game and the 2nd time i admitted to being mafia to lure the doctor or whatever.Last night we were playing discord mafia and I was mafia and Maribro knew i was mafia by end of day 1 and he had evidence for it, good thing i killed him that game tho. So if Maribro says im town and ya know he has good reasons id probably believe his reasons if i was a unsure townie.
It seems people are still on the mindset of "he hammered a townie so he = suss" or "he disagreed with me and town so he = suss" but they dont look at all the extra details to see it is better for my case being town than worse for it. If anybody actually has any evidence against me being town rather than just feelings than go ahead. Tbh all the 'it's just a feeling' this game have seemed pretty inaccurate so id highly advice using that.
idk about the jlo train. Rn it's just pressure so im fine with it but if we end up lynching a good player just on a gut feeling id recommend against that. Let's see how he defends himself before anything though.
01/16/2017 08:50:59
Hello,
It seems that a lynch train has been started on me so here I am. To be perfectly honest, I've been watching the thread since the first vote against me was cast, and I was just waiting on more people to chime in. I think I've seen enough to be able to make a case for myself. If anyone else wants to bandwagon then go right ahead and jump in (as long as you have a good reason to lol).
With regards to me buddying up with Spacejam:
I've said multiple times that I'll reread his posts in order to me to give a clear assessment of him. It's probably not good on my part that I haven't done it sooner, so I went ahead and did it. Well after doing so, what can I say... His posts are 50% encouraging discussion (mainly by getting inactives to post) and 50% memery. The latter half makes him hard to read so far, but getting people to post is generally seen as a pro-town behaviour. He also tries to theorize game set-ups; it can be good in some instances, but if you try to complicate things, it can often lead town astray. Leaning towards pro-town atm
With regards to me on the LuminousLucas train:
I've stated my stance on him multiple times within the thread, and I was hoping that I do not need to reiterate. However, this was not the case and I was seen as scummy for not doing so. So then let's reiterate then. First, from page 7:
And this was my stance on players who parrot repeatedly. This was originally addressed to Laggy, but I referenced this when I voted for Lucas again.
In short, I feel that he was incredibly suss not only because of his less than excellent plays, but also his hesitance to commit to anything remotely risky. With his claim of Town Voyeur, this opinion may change.
With regards to claims of me "holding back":
You guys give me too much credit lol. I'm not as good as you think I am of a player, in spite of what my past Mafia results and experience may suggest. I am prone to glancing over important details, and I am prone to making mistakes, as seen in the attempted Laggy lynch and maybe my voting stance in the previous night. That's why Mafia is a team game; I can't do this by myself, and I have to rely on my teammates to win.
01/16/2017 09:20:00
It seems that a lynch train has been started on me so here I am. To be perfectly honest, I've been watching the thread since the first vote against me was cast, and I was just waiting on more people to chime in. I think I've seen enough to be able to make a case for myself. If anyone else wants to bandwagon then go right ahead and jump in (as long as you have a good reason to lol).
With regards to me buddying up with Spacejam:
I've said multiple times that I'll reread his posts in order to me to give a clear assessment of him. It's probably not good on my part that I haven't done it sooner, so I went ahead and did it. Well after doing so, what can I say... His posts are 50% encouraging discussion (mainly by getting inactives to post) and 50% memery. The latter half makes him hard to read so far, but getting people to post is generally seen as a pro-town behaviour. He also tries to theorize game set-ups; it can be good in some instances, but if you try to complicate things, it can often lead town astray. Leaning towards pro-town atm
With regards to me on the LuminousLucas train:
I've stated my stance on him multiple times within the thread, and I was hoping that I do not need to reiterate. However, this was not the case and I was seen as scummy for not doing so. So then let's reiterate then. First, from page 7:
JLo said:
People keep talking about 'gathering information' and all that jazz for day 1, but the fact of the matter is, unless people make an effort to poke and prod, mafia can just hang back and lurk, and town will accomplish jack diddly squat.
JLo said:
Also ffs guys stop using the "I'm bad at the game" card as a defense. It makes you look less credible and other players are less inclined to find weight in your statements in the future.
And this was my stance on players who parrot repeatedly. This was originally addressed to Laggy, but I referenced this when I voted for Lucas again.
JLo said:
But aside from those statements, his posts have been of very little substance and gives the impression of a player who doesn't want to give a lot away. I know this has been said a lot of times already, but town should contribute whatever they can to the discussion. Throwing out simple observations should be more than enough, and may prove to be beneficial in the long run. I think that by parroting opinions instead, he's reducing the chance of incriminating himself.
In short, I feel that he was incredibly suss not only because of his less than excellent plays, but also his hesitance to commit to anything remotely risky. With his claim of Town Voyeur, this opinion may change.
With regards to claims of me "holding back":
You guys give me too much credit lol. I'm not as good as you think I am of a player, in spite of what my past Mafia results and experience may suggest. I am prone to glancing over important details, and I am prone to making mistakes, as seen in the attempted Laggy lynch and maybe my voting stance in the previous night. That's why Mafia is a team game; I can't do this by myself, and I have to rely on my teammates to win.
01/16/2017 09:20:00
Tbh the biggest reason I'm on your case Jlo is due to my mafia leader theory (where I believe the game is balanced and therefore the mafia have at least one strong player to guide them).
By process of elimination I'm down to you or extra. What say you to this?
01/16/2017 09:28:24
By process of elimination I'm down to you or extra. What say you to this?
01/16/2017 09:28:24
all mafia games before this have been randomized. saying you think jlo is mafia because aero would put him there out of bias is an assumption and a bad one at that
01/16/2017 09:33:52
01/16/2017 09:33:52
Sorry for not posting in day 4 up until now, I thought the night would go to 48 hours again. With Lucas's claim I don't think it proves him as definite town but I don't think the mafia would let a member stuff up on claiming like that. There is a chance that he is a traitor but we don't even know if there is one in the first place so there is no point in pursuing this today.
I'm not really sure about the JLo train but I will admit he is acting a bit off this game. A good player won't crack anywhere near as easily so it's the smaller things you have to question. I won't vote right now since I think he has enough votes on him already but I do want to hear what he has to say.
I should also note that we still have to have a reason for voting for better players and once they have responded we have to keep the pressure up and analyse what they have said. We can't just let people of the hook too quickly unless we want another Smashbox Invisi run.
01/16/2017 09:34:13
I'm not really sure about the JLo train but I will admit he is acting a bit off this game. A good player won't crack anywhere near as easily so it's the smaller things you have to question. I won't vote right now since I think he has enough votes on him already but I do want to hear what he has to say.
I should also note that we still have to have a reason for voting for better players and once they have responded we have to keep the pressure up and analyse what they have said. We can't just let people of the hook too quickly unless we want another Smashbox Invisi run.
01/16/2017 09:34:13
HydroPimp said:
all mafia games before this have been randomized. saying you think jlo is mafia because aero would put him there out of bias is an assumption and a bad one at that
Mafia games are randomised yes, but they are also balanced afterward to make sure the game isn't too heavily in one team's favour.
When the game ends I absolutely guarantee the mafia will have at least one strong player in their ranks.
01/16/2017 09:38:21
i mean id make that bet too. statistics wise it is pretty likely
01/16/2017 09:40:23
01/16/2017 09:40:23
JLo said:
Hello,
Hi 👋
01/16/2017 10:11:47
Bijou said:
Tbh the biggest reason I'm on your case Jlo is due to my mafia leader theory (where I believe the game is balanced and therefore the mafia have at least one strong player to guide them).
By process of elimination I'm down to you or extra. What say you to this?
If it comes down to that, I guess it becomes a case of my word vs Extra's. That is, assuming that one of us left is the mafia. You know that there are more possibilities though. Starting with:
One of us is the mafia: Each of us has to present our case why the other one is scum. This would work if we believe the other one is actually Mafia, except that I don't think Extra is scum. He's been doing pro-town plays so far, and if he does flip scum and ends up winning, I won't fault him since he's doing a good job so far of earning the town's trust.
So then if I'm not arguing that Extra is scum, that means I'm scum by process of elimination. Doing so goes against my best interest, and you're to judge whether I'm being genuine or I'm doing some next level mindgames. I'm interested in Extra's take on this.
Both of us are mafia: It is possible that both of us are playing the long con, but I want to hear from Extra before expanding on this further.
Neither of us are mafia: I think this is the most probable conclusion that you can get out of this. Without the intervention of the mods, it is possible that the Mafia team is composed of newer/non-regular players. It's also worth having a look who is left out of the non-confirmed townies aside from Extra and myself:
Maribro
Windkeeper
Hydropimp
Spacejam
Cjeccjec
LuminousLucas
ThatLaggyPerson
I know that the first four have participated in games before, and can be classified as experienced players. The last 2 are claiming roles but their allegiance cannot be confirmed at this point in time. This is my first time playing with cjeccjec, but I think he has played in games before but I'm not sure. It is possible that with your assumption of 3 scum, there are 2 experienced players on this list + 1 of either laggy or lucas which can form the Mafia faction. This can be a balanced team, a team which fits your criteria of a team which is arranged by the mods only if your theory of balance of powers holds weight. But I'm just spitballing at this point and it's just conjecture at this point in time.
01/16/2017 10:33:32
This is my second mafia game.
01/16/2017 11:34:34
01/16/2017 11:34:34
it is hot as shit in melbourne and the last thing i want to do while sweating my ass off in my non air conditioned room is make a long ass post about this game but it's probably for the best that i do so.
regarding hydro: pre much i looked at the last two games where he got lynched twice for generally being a shit and said 'if i lose again cause of this crap i'll be mad'. luminescent, i recommend you go check out the last few pages of both the most recent mafia and the fire emblem mafia and read hydro's posts there with the knowledge that he is a member of town in both of those games. if you come to a different conclusion looking back on the posts he's made in this game other than 'oh, he's just a spaz' then i would honestly be happy to hear from you. until then yeah i do agree with him that saying 'he just seems sus' isn't conclusive enough for me. i proposed getting rid of him day 1 and yall didn't listen, now you have to deal with him. forgive me if i'm not sympathetic towards your cause.
regarding bijou's metagamey stuff: obviously i'm biased towards myself, there's no helping that. but let's be real, my only contribution to mafia games so far was subbing in and immediately bandwagoning the wrong person, thus instantly losing the game for town. your logic for me being a 'strong' player, and in turn the moderators' logic, makes absolutely no sense and you seem to have come to this conclusion in hindsight due to the events of this game. as such i'll happily accept your compliment and instead ask why you think i'm not town. if it's just that 'everyone else is playing like they were when they were town in other games' and i'm one of the default targets, consider that maybe you ARE being played.
personally, i have my own suspicions but i'd like to wait and see for a bit before bringing it up, plus i'd like to review posts. i was a bit sus of this person in the past and i'm still not 100% sure as it's a bit left field but i plan on making a case against them later on. i know this seems like a huge copout but whatever. if people really want me to elaborate i will but for now i'd like to wait and see without it being on the table.
regarding jlo: as things currently stand, to be brutally honest i feel like you would lose a me vs. you standoff considering people already consider you sus enough to vote for so regardless of whether you're pro- or anti-town the correct play is to probably suggest a third option. i also don't think you're a bad player; i thought your logic with regards to voting for laggy was pretty well thought out (though laggy is probably one of the easier players to swing a lynch on, i'm not gonna pretend i didn't have my own suspicions of him and so did most of town). i'm not as suspicious of you as other people are, but in your defense two things stuck out to me:
- in your post, you quoted yourself saying that people shouldn't just say they're 'bad at the game' then went on to say that you're 'not as good as you think' right away. i feel a bit nitpicky saying this but i might as well put it out there for other people to interpret. kinda have to get nitpicky when it comes down to situations like this.
- you didn't include ghost in your list of 'non-confirmed townies'. is this just another small slip-up, or do you have some reason for not including him?
aight that legit took like 40 minutes so i'm just gonna chill now. will respond to people if they want me to but don't expect a novel.
01/16/2017 11:42:41
regarding hydro: pre much i looked at the last two games where he got lynched twice for generally being a shit and said 'if i lose again cause of this crap i'll be mad'. luminescent, i recommend you go check out the last few pages of both the most recent mafia and the fire emblem mafia and read hydro's posts there with the knowledge that he is a member of town in both of those games. if you come to a different conclusion looking back on the posts he's made in this game other than 'oh, he's just a spaz' then i would honestly be happy to hear from you. until then yeah i do agree with him that saying 'he just seems sus' isn't conclusive enough for me. i proposed getting rid of him day 1 and yall didn't listen, now you have to deal with him. forgive me if i'm not sympathetic towards your cause.
regarding bijou's metagamey stuff: obviously i'm biased towards myself, there's no helping that. but let's be real, my only contribution to mafia games so far was subbing in and immediately bandwagoning the wrong person, thus instantly losing the game for town. your logic for me being a 'strong' player, and in turn the moderators' logic, makes absolutely no sense and you seem to have come to this conclusion in hindsight due to the events of this game. as such i'll happily accept your compliment and instead ask why you think i'm not town. if it's just that 'everyone else is playing like they were when they were town in other games' and i'm one of the default targets, consider that maybe you ARE being played.
personally, i have my own suspicions but i'd like to wait and see for a bit before bringing it up, plus i'd like to review posts. i was a bit sus of this person in the past and i'm still not 100% sure as it's a bit left field but i plan on making a case against them later on. i know this seems like a huge copout but whatever. if people really want me to elaborate i will but for now i'd like to wait and see without it being on the table.
regarding jlo: as things currently stand, to be brutally honest i feel like you would lose a me vs. you standoff considering people already consider you sus enough to vote for so regardless of whether you're pro- or anti-town the correct play is to probably suggest a third option. i also don't think you're a bad player; i thought your logic with regards to voting for laggy was pretty well thought out (though laggy is probably one of the easier players to swing a lynch on, i'm not gonna pretend i didn't have my own suspicions of him and so did most of town). i'm not as suspicious of you as other people are, but in your defense two things stuck out to me:
- in your post, you quoted yourself saying that people shouldn't just say they're 'bad at the game' then went on to say that you're 'not as good as you think' right away. i feel a bit nitpicky saying this but i might as well put it out there for other people to interpret. kinda have to get nitpicky when it comes down to situations like this.
- you didn't include ghost in your list of 'non-confirmed townies'. is this just another small slip-up, or do you have some reason for not including him?
aight that legit took like 40 minutes so i'm just gonna chill now. will respond to people if they want me to but don't expect a novel.
01/16/2017 11:42:41
I don't really know what to do. But I always like going for inactive people and I still think Laggy is relatively untouched.
The moment I see an opportunity to start a train I will, i'm always too lazy and miss my chance ._.
I'll probably just scare laggy into being active because there's some lurker evidence and he hasn't done much. At least this way we'll be able to read him.
on JLo um... idk. I think he's too chill in his defence. Like trying to act overly confident. But thats just me
01/16/2017 11:49:06
The moment I see an opportunity to start a train I will, i'm always too lazy and miss my chance ._.
I'll probably just scare laggy into being active because there's some lurker evidence and he hasn't done much. At least this way we'll be able to read him.
on JLo um... idk. I think he's too chill in his defence. Like trying to act overly confident. But thats just me
01/16/2017 11:49:06
Extra said:
it is hot as shit in melbourne and the last thing i want to do while sweating my ass off in my non air conditioned room is make a long ass post about this game but it's probably for the best that i do so.
It's hotter in Adelaide, deal with it :P
01/16/2017 12:16:37
Ghostbone said:
Extra said:
it is hot as shit in melbourne and the last thing i want to do while sweating my ass off in my non air conditioned room is make a long ass post about this game but it's probably for the best that i do so.
It's hotter in Adelaide, deal with it :P
It's pretty fucking hot here as well
01/16/2017 12:19:40
But it's 40C here tomorrow.
01/16/2017 12:24:45
01/16/2017 12:24:45
Extra said:your logic for me being a 'strong' player, and in turn the moderators' logic, makes absolutely no sense
Hence why I'm targeting Jlo over yourself at the moment.
01/16/2017 12:50:45
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.
01/16/2017 23:18:13
01/16/2017 23:18:13
KiwifruitKoala said:
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.
This post personifies everything wrong with town play this game. You refuse to take any risk, you don't divulge or explain why you think the way you do and then to top it all off you say you're gonna wait for everyone else to say something.
Yeah man, I've been waiting all game for anyone other than myself/Bijou/extra/dean to contribute meaningfully and consistently to the game but I'm still waiting. Just say what you think man, no point holding up or waiting for anyone to say something just so you can agree with them.
01/17/2017 00:02:50
JLo said:
With regards to me buddying up with Spacejam:
I've said multiple times that I'll reread his posts in order to me to give a clear assessment of him. It's probably not good on my part that I haven't done it sooner, so I went ahead and did it. Well after doing so, what can I say... His posts are 50% encouraging discussion (mainly by getting inactives to post) and 50% memery. The latter half makes him hard to read so far, but getting people to post is generally seen as a pro-town behaviour. He also tries to theorize game set-ups; it can be good in some instances, but if you try to complicate things, it can often lead town astray. Leaning towards pro-town atm
I've read through this multiple times. And pardon me if I'm not reading this correctly, but you never actually did explain why you are buddying with spacejam.
All you said is that you read his posts and said they were leaning towards pro town. Are you buddying with them because they lean towards pro town?
Please explain this.
01/17/2017 00:35:39
KiwifruitKoala said:
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.
Of course it is, he's a smart player and smart players are very capable of mounting strong defenses lol.
Rather than having Jlo defend himself I'm actually more interested if he has learned anything with his power the last 3 nights. Besides my strong player theory the other reason I'm on him at the moment is because there is no evidence of him using any pro town powers yet.
Do you know anything interesting that we don't know so far Jlo? Have you made any interesting plays? Not saying you have to role claim or anything but you must have been able to do something interesting during the night by now.
01/17/2017 00:45:19
Maribro said:Right, sorry. I think his defense was solid because he seemed to go over everything that we were questioning about except for why he was buddying with Spacejam as Lucas pointed out above, but I think he just forgot to include it considering how big of a post it was. I see what cj means by it seemed a little overly confident, but he was getting pressured a lot to be fair. If he flips Maf I would be impressed by how well he did in his defenses, regardless of how much experience people say he has. I haven't played any games with JLo before, and if I have, I don't remember it. Therefore, I don't really notice how he's acting off.
KiwifruitKoala said:
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.
This post personifies everything wrong with town play this game. You refuse to take any risk, you don't divulge or explain why you think the way you do and then to top it all off you say you're gonna wait for everyone else to say something.
Yeah man, I've been waiting all game for anyone other than myself/Bijou/extra/dean to contribute meaningfully and consistently to the game but I'm still waiting. Just say what you think man, no point holding up or waiting for anyone to say something just so you can agree with them.
The reason why I wanted to wait for other people is because like 3 people have actually responded/reacted to the 2 posts that he has made. I would like everyone to add their thoughts to the manner.
01/17/2017 00:56:41
Bijou said:
KiwifruitKoala said:
I think JLo's defense was pretty solid, but that's probably just me. I wanna see what everyone else has to say.
Of course it is, he's a smart player and smart players are very capable of mounting strong defenses lol.
Rather than having Jlo defend himself I'm actually more interested if he has learned anything with his power the last 3 nights. Besides my strong player theory the other reason I'm on him at the moment is because there is no evidence of him using any pro town powers yet.
Do you know anything interesting that we don't know so far Jlo? Have you made any interesting plays? Not saying you have to role claim or anything but you must have been able to do something interesting during the night by now.
I'm interested that you're going for that angle. For now, I've found out something interesting last night. I know I'm not the only townie here that's keeping secrets atm, so I'm weighing out the pros and cons of divulging what I know. I can also reveal that Maribro is somewhat correct; that what I know so far has been affecting the way I'm playing this game.
01/17/2017 00:57:16
You're supposed to act as calm and confident as you can if you're being pressured, otherwise you look suss. Something I learned from Maribro in my first game. That's what JLo was doing I believe, but I'm not sure whether that's coming from a Maf mamber or a Townie. I'm really undecided. I wouldn't be surprised if JLo flipped Town, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped Maf either.
01/17/2017 01:02:02
01/17/2017 01:02:02
KiwifruitKoala said:So what I gather is you're very hard to surprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if JLo flipped Town, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped Maf either.
I'm back at work this week so my activity will drop a tad. Will look over proceedings tonight.
01/17/2017 01:50:13