Cheers mang.
08/21/2015 02:48:59
Snake was the only character in Smash history to have a disadvantaged MU with himself.
08/21/2015 02:51:21
08/21/2015 02:51:21
Match-ups are also meta dependent. This is probably more of a case in Sm4sh than in previous installations because of how patches are a lot more frequent, but even without those patches the meta fluctuates a bunch. A really good example is actually meta knight. People thought he was trash, or at least "not great" until Leo took out Mr. R in that European tournament. Now everyone thinks MK is fucking amazing. Yoshi is another good example. Yoshi sucks but everyone kept putting him top tier. Now we see less and less of Yoshi higher on tier lists (yes he's still high, but people were saying he was top 5 not too long ago). http://esports-runner.com/ssb4/%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AD%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0/
What do we think about the japanese tier list?
08/21/2015 13:26:11
What do we think about the japanese tier list?
08/21/2015 13:26:11
The japanese are playing a very different game to us. It's almost entirely bait and punish. I've played a few "good" japanese on for glory and they never really go for strings or combos. It's more "this option will do the most damage at this point, i'll do that." So a lot of smash's at low percents.
You never realise you're losing to a japanese person until you see your damage compared to theirs.
One things for sure, everyone sees zelda as horse shit tier.
08/21/2015 16:54:01
You never realise you're losing to a japanese person until you see your damage compared to theirs.
One things for sure, everyone sees zelda as horse shit tier.
08/21/2015 16:54:01
My tier list:
SS Tier: Sheik, Rosalini & Ganon
S Tier: Luigi, Pikachu, Falcon, Yoshi, ZSS, Ness, Sonic, Mario, Fox, Wario, Diddy
A tier: Lucario, Villager, Megaman, MK, Roy, Greninja, Ryu, Pit, Dark Pit, Wii Fit Trainer
B Tier: Pac-man, DK, Little Mac, Olimar, Peach, Ike, Bowser, Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Jigglypuff
C Tier: ROB, Mii Gunner, Robin, Shulk, Charizard, Falco, Lucina, Marth
D Tier: Dedede, Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler, Lucas, Mii Sword Fighter, Kirby, Dr, Mario
E Tier: Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Zelda
Non-Functioning characters: Palutena, Samus
08/21/2015 21:06:00
SS Tier: Sheik, Rosalini & Ganon
S Tier: Luigi, Pikachu, Falcon, Yoshi, ZSS, Ness, Sonic, Mario, Fox, Wario, Diddy
A tier: Lucario, Villager, Megaman, MK, Roy, Greninja, Ryu, Pit, Dark Pit, Wii Fit Trainer
B Tier: Pac-man, DK, Little Mac, Olimar, Peach, Ike, Bowser, Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Jigglypuff
C Tier: ROB, Mii Gunner, Robin, Shulk, Charizard, Falco, Lucina, Marth
D Tier: Dedede, Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler, Lucas, Mii Sword Fighter, Kirby, Dr, Mario
E Tier: Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Zelda
Non-Functioning characters: Palutena, Samus
08/21/2015 21:06:00
I haven't quite thought of a tier list. But I feel like the characters I have the most trouble playing against is
Sheik, Rosaluma, Megaman.
Proficient Links and Little Macs can be a struggle.
And I feel like Satan(Lucas) has potential to be almost unstoppable if understood well.
08/21/2015 21:16:45
Sheik, Rosaluma, Megaman.
Proficient Links and Little Macs can be a struggle.
And I feel like Satan(Lucas) has potential to be almost unstoppable if understood well.
08/21/2015 21:16:45
Dabuz have posted his tier list for top and high tier now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3hf4qwzVw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IokTZ78pU_I
I feel that ZSS and mario are probably too high and second half of high tier is just a mess. What does everyone think of it?
08/22/2015 03:19:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3hf4qwzVw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IokTZ78pU_I
I feel that ZSS and mario are probably too high and second half of high tier is just a mess. What does everyone think of it?
08/22/2015 03:19:08
Heres my tier list, im bored and have nothing better to do. After going to a few more tourneys i think i have a better understanding of how each character ranks when played competitively than i did before.
http://i.imgur.com/pJhMLJV.png
I don't think its crazy to move rosa from most peoples 2nd to 5th. I think people are confusing Jaice being insanely good, with the character being broken.
As far as falcon and villager being so low. Falcon is good, really good. But he struggles with pretty much everybody higher than him on the tier list with a few exceptions. That being said he essentially shits on everybody ranked lower than him.
SS tier is just sheik. Go up against a good sheik and you're fucked.
A is characters that control the neutral and the speed of the match, almost all have have the ability to escape combos with a nair, as well as start their own combos pretty easily. They all also have some of the best frame data in the game.
B all have some form of kill set up, and are pretty rush down as far as smash 4 goes. The also all have the ability to end a stock before or around 60%, whether it be with spikes, gimps or ceiling kills.
C all have great kill potential, but also get bodied pretty hard. Lucario becomes goku at %100, but before this he's pretty dog shit.
DK has great throw set ups, the dk punch and a great recovery (people argue that its bad, but i really like it) the down side he is a fucking hairy planet with a tie.
Roy is fast falls like sack of bricks, but his Fsmash is ridonkulous. He has some pretty decent combo game, but he's fast and hits like a bus. Like falcon.
08/26/2015 08:10:31
http://i.imgur.com/pJhMLJV.png
I don't think its crazy to move rosa from most peoples 2nd to 5th. I think people are confusing Jaice being insanely good, with the character being broken.
As far as falcon and villager being so low. Falcon is good, really good. But he struggles with pretty much everybody higher than him on the tier list with a few exceptions. That being said he essentially shits on everybody ranked lower than him.
SS tier is just sheik. Go up against a good sheik and you're fucked.
A is characters that control the neutral and the speed of the match, almost all have have the ability to escape combos with a nair, as well as start their own combos pretty easily. They all also have some of the best frame data in the game.
B all have some form of kill set up, and are pretty rush down as far as smash 4 goes. The also all have the ability to end a stock before or around 60%, whether it be with spikes, gimps or ceiling kills.
C all have great kill potential, but also get bodied pretty hard. Lucario becomes goku at %100, but before this he's pretty dog shit.
DK has great throw set ups, the dk punch and a great recovery (people argue that its bad, but i really like it) the down side he is a fucking hairy planet with a tie.
Roy is fast falls like sack of bricks, but his Fsmash is ridonkulous. He has some pretty decent combo game, but he's fast and hits like a bus. Like falcon.
08/26/2015 08:10:31
DK's recovery is bad
So Aerogane would post this picture
08/26/2015 08:31:33
So Aerogane would post this picture
08/26/2015 08:31:33
DK's recovery is good, as long as you don't get spiked. And even then his arms are two great big flailing hitbox's the whole time.
08/26/2015 09:17:18
08/26/2015 09:17:18
His great big torso also has great big hurt box
08/26/2015 09:43:57
08/26/2015 09:43:57
Here's my top 10 for patch 1.1.0.
1. Sheik
2. Rosaluma
3. Luigi
4. Pikachu
5. Yoshi
6. ZSS
7. Fox
8. Ness
9. Mario
10. Falcon
Sonic can be interchanged with 9-10, otherwise he's just outside top 10. Diddy is around 11 or 12.
08/28/2015 00:39:15
1. Sheik
2. Rosaluma
3. Luigi
4. Pikachu
5. Yoshi
6. ZSS
7. Fox
8. Ness
9. Mario
10. Falcon
Sonic can be interchanged with 9-10, otherwise he's just outside top 10. Diddy is around 11 or 12.
08/28/2015 00:39:15
I would rank diddy around 9th, and falcon around 14th. Nerfed diddy isn't unplayable diddy. He still has many movement options and great stage control. I'd also rank mario higher, but perhaps its just me that struggles with mario.
09/01/2015 15:07:07
09/01/2015 15:07:07
seeing luigi top 3 and yoshi top 10 are my triggers, here's my list
1. Sheik
2. ZSS
3. Rosa
4. Pikachu
5. Fox
6. Sonic
7. Ness
8. Wario
9. Mario
10. Diddy
11. Luigi
12. MK
13. Falcon
14 - 25 in super approximate order:
Greninja, Ryu, Brawler, Yoshi, Villager, Olimar, Pac-Man, ROB, Pits, Ike, DK, Marth
kinda outdated already after like 2 weeks (losing faith in Sonic + some low tiers need to go up after the buffs) but i based it upon my post here: http://smashboards.com/threads/viability-survey-v1-competitive-impressions.410551/page-62#post-19830276
09/01/2015 22:55:59
1. Sheik
2. ZSS
3. Rosa
4. Pikachu
5. Fox
6. Sonic
7. Ness
8. Wario
9. Mario
10. Diddy
11. Luigi
12. MK
13. Falcon
14 - 25 in super approximate order:
Greninja, Ryu, Brawler, Yoshi, Villager, Olimar, Pac-Man, ROB, Pits, Ike, DK, Marth
kinda outdated already after like 2 weeks (losing faith in Sonic + some low tiers need to go up after the buffs) but i based it upon my post here: http://smashboards.com/threads/viability-survey-v1-competitive-impressions.410551/page-62#post-19830276
09/01/2015 22:55:59
Honestly I can see luigi floating around in top 5, maybe falling to top 7, but definitely not below top 10. Even after the fireball nerfs, there are still so many great things about him.the fact that his fireballs just cut through half the cast as well as his just absolutely dumb grab game makes him 5th or 4th spot imo. There's also no way that sonic can solidly hold a top 5 spot anymore. Not because he aint good, just cus nobody reps him and his meta is so backed up with spindash that nobody has done anything worthwhile to add to his play in a while.
09/02/2015 01:46:08
09/02/2015 01:46:08
I'll try and somewhat justify the placings of the characters on my tier list. I know you guys have opinions which differ from mine, bu that's excellent, since that means we can get actual discussion going.
- Luigi at 3rd: Yes, he does have really bad MUs in the top 10 (Sheik and Rosa come into mind), but that doesn't change the fact that he still has a really good MU against the majority of the cast. He Diddies way better than Diddy in this patch, getting grabbed by him is such a bad scenario, his fireballs are good keep away tools, and his low ground traction makes punishes on him hard.
- Yoshi at 5th: He has one of the best aerial frame data in the game, which includes that buzzsaw dair. Add to that having the best aerial speed in the game, and it's hard to contest him midair. He also has a slew of kill options, both grounded and aerial, so you're hardly predictable when taking a stock. This is probably a bold claim, but he's under represented due to the lack of players who are playing him at a top level in the US.
- ZSS at 6th: People have been saying that she's the second best character in the game, probably partly influenced by the opinions of her from top players such as ZeRo. Yes, she does have one of the, if not the best punish games in the entire cast since she can take a stock as early as 50% (maybe even lower). But from what another top player (ESAM) brought up, she has very little answers to shield, due to her grab animation being bad. When you're finding it hard to get around one of the strongest defensive options in the game, it's hard to put you at a top 5 spot in the cast.
- Fox at 7th: He's blessed with all around great frame data, fast speed and combo potential, but I feel that fundamentally he's too honest of a character. You kinda need 1 or 2 janky options as a character or else you'll have to rely on being a much better player than the other guy (which goes against the ideal competitive scenario, but why put a lot of effort to win with one character when you can achieve the same results with less effort with another character?).
- Sonic outside of top 10: tbh I don't know much about the character to really comment on him, I just know that he's a popular competitive pick hence the placing. Feel free to inform me otherwise.
- Diddy outside of top 10: Maybe it's bias, but I feel that after the nerfs, even though he's still really good, it's hard to put him at a top 10 spot. Diddy + banana rivals Sheik as having the best neutral in the game, but what about those scenarios when you can't access banana? IMO he doesn't have a 60:40 matchup against any of the top 10, either going even or losing, maybe 1 or 2 55:45 MUs. His hardest matchup currently is against Green Diddy and Rosalina Climbers, two very relevant characters aside from Sheik. At best I'll put him at 10.
09/02/2015 03:43:04
- Luigi at 3rd: Yes, he does have really bad MUs in the top 10 (Sheik and Rosa come into mind), but that doesn't change the fact that he still has a really good MU against the majority of the cast. He Diddies way better than Diddy in this patch, getting grabbed by him is such a bad scenario, his fireballs are good keep away tools, and his low ground traction makes punishes on him hard.
- Yoshi at 5th: He has one of the best aerial frame data in the game, which includes that buzzsaw dair. Add to that having the best aerial speed in the game, and it's hard to contest him midair. He also has a slew of kill options, both grounded and aerial, so you're hardly predictable when taking a stock. This is probably a bold claim, but he's under represented due to the lack of players who are playing him at a top level in the US.
- ZSS at 6th: People have been saying that she's the second best character in the game, probably partly influenced by the opinions of her from top players such as ZeRo. Yes, she does have one of the, if not the best punish games in the entire cast since she can take a stock as early as 50% (maybe even lower). But from what another top player (ESAM) brought up, she has very little answers to shield, due to her grab animation being bad. When you're finding it hard to get around one of the strongest defensive options in the game, it's hard to put you at a top 5 spot in the cast.
- Fox at 7th: He's blessed with all around great frame data, fast speed and combo potential, but I feel that fundamentally he's too honest of a character. You kinda need 1 or 2 janky options as a character or else you'll have to rely on being a much better player than the other guy (which goes against the ideal competitive scenario, but why put a lot of effort to win with one character when you can achieve the same results with less effort with another character?).
- Sonic outside of top 10: tbh I don't know much about the character to really comment on him, I just know that he's a popular competitive pick hence the placing. Feel free to inform me otherwise.
- Diddy outside of top 10: Maybe it's bias, but I feel that after the nerfs, even though he's still really good, it's hard to put him at a top 10 spot. Diddy + banana rivals Sheik as having the best neutral in the game, but what about those scenarios when you can't access banana? IMO he doesn't have a 60:40 matchup against any of the top 10, either going even or losing, maybe 1 or 2 55:45 MUs. His hardest matchup currently is against Green Diddy and Rosalina Climbers, two very relevant characters aside from Sheik. At best I'll put him at 10.
09/02/2015 03:43:04
JLo said:
- Luigi at 3rd: Yes, he does have really bad MUs in the top 10 (Sheik and Rosa come into mind), but that doesn't change the fact that he still has a really good MU against the majority of the cast. He Diddies way better than Diddy in this patch, getting grabbed by him is such a bad scenario, his fireballs are good keep away tools, and his low ground traction makes punishes on him hard.
- Yoshi at 5th: He has one of the best aerial frame data in the game, which includes that buzzsaw dair. Add to that having the best aerial speed in the game, and it's hard to contest him midair. He also has a slew of kill options, both grounded and aerial, so you're hardly predictable when taking a stock. This is probably a bold claim, but he's under represented due to the lack of players who are playing him at a top level in the US.
- Fox at 7th: He's blessed with all around great frame data, fast speed and combo potential, but I feel that fundamentally he's too honest of a character. You kinda need 1 or 2 janky options as a character or else you'll have to rely on being a much better player than the other guy (which goes against the ideal competitive scenario, but why put a lot of effort to win with one character when you can achieve the same results with less effort with another character?).
- Sonic outside of top 10: tbh I don't know much about the character to really comment on him, I just know that he's a popular competitive pick hence the placing. Feel free to inform me .
I agree with most of this except for a little bit. First off, I agree with sonic and luigi placings. You justify luigi quite well so I guess I'll make acomment on sonic. The same way zss gets beat by shield, so does sonic. Dash grab too unreliable and dash attack doesn't beat spot dodge, so players with decent reactions can punish sonic approaches, which makes a sonic player play the "hit and run" defensive playstyle. If you have to time out your opponent by having 0 aggressive options on a predominantly melee character, that doesn't put him in top tier.
The only one I wonder about is fox. I don't think anyone has put him confidently in a tier list and not been given criticism yet. I think this might be because the majority of the player base still isnt sure about him. He does have jank stuff though. If you play against a good fox, you'll see things like b-air to u-tilt be virtually unpunishable. Not to mention how butt sniffingly stupid his recovery is. If you don't know how to (or if your character doesnt have tools to) punish an illusion, look forward to getting killed under 100% by illusion to up-air. Not to mention his drag down forward-air to footstool combo to give him a pretty secured kill (assuming you don't accidently burn your jump in the 3 seconds of continuous hits and the footstool) only a handful of the characters can still make it back. Id agree with him being 7th, at least for the fact that he's pretty unsure of a character atm, but I disagree on the justification. Fox has plenty of jank shit.
09/02/2015 04:41:05
The thing that stands out the most to me in your tier list Jlo is Yoshi being above ZSS. They're not hugely similar characters but they have some strengths and weaknesses in common and I can't think of any situation in which Yoshi outclasses ZSS.
09/02/2015 06:55:33
09/02/2015 06:55:33
Aerodrome said:Why do you think Lucas is in tier? I would put him in at least B, just wondering.
My tier list:
SS Tier: Sheik, Rosalini & Ganon
S Tier: Luigi, Pikachu, Falcon, Yoshi, ZSS, Ness, Sonic, Mario, Fox, Wario, Diddy
A tier: Lucario, Villager, Megaman, MK, Roy, Greninja, Ryu, Pit, Dark Pit, Wii Fit Trainer
B Tier: Pac-man, DK, Little Mac, Olimar, Peach, Ike, Bowser, Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Jigglypuff
C Tier: ROB, Mii Gunner, Robin, Shulk, Charizard, Falco, Lucina, Marth
D Tier: Dedede, Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler, Lucas, Mii Sword Fighter, Kirby, Dr, Mario
E Tier: Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Zelda
Non-Functioning characters: Palutena, Samus
S Tier:
Ganondorf (G-DAWG): Very viable character, kills very early and runs stupidly fast. His recovery is ridiculously good
Dr. Mario (Doc): His offensive game is godlike. Recovery very formidable and is hard to gimp.
Palutena(GOD): Well S Tier is god tier, and palutena is a goddess. No questions. shes better without customs btw.
Charizard: He's a DRAGON. What more can you ask of him?
A Tier:
Mii Swordfighter: An amazing character with lots of potential and tons of results
Zelda(Princess): If she was put in a low tier, she would cut off my head
Falco(piece of cAKE): Falco is so swag. thats why i main him in melee.
Mii gunner: Refer to Mii gunner, theyre the same thing lol
Mewtwo: Heavy character so he can survive alot of things. His spike is godlike and his down b is amazing.
Jigglypuff: OMG REST IS BROKEN
DK: E X P A N D
Samus: Samus' roll is very good. I see people capitalizing on this on for glory.
B Tier:
Ike: woah man dont sleep on ike. his fsmash comes out so quick.
Little mac: He just keep coming back to the ledge no matter how hard you try. His aerial game is better than jiggs imo.
Robin: Very Fast character. I see so many robin mains at tournaments and on for glory
Lucina: Like marth, but has more range and has a tipper
Shulk: Like ZeRo said, he will be the best character in the game
Marth: Like lucina, but has less range and doesnt have a tipper
Bowser: His landing options are plentiful and he can easily escape combos
Bowser Jr: Lol i think hes like bowser but lighter idk tbh
C+D Tier:
( I didn't want to do the mid tiers because i basically reversed the cast so it would be boring for mid tiers as they are MID).
E Tier:
Wario: Omg this guys farts stink! not as much as biley's tho.
Lucas: dude get a haircut thats so out of fashion. hes an ok character not really viable tho considering charizard is broken
Mario: Only focuses on offense. He is like the opposite of an all-rounder. He has alot of range on his moves tho
Roy: Omg i hate this guy. First of all, he is basically an exact clone of marth but he thinks hes all cool with his fire and stuff but no roy i hate to break it to you but youre not. Third of all, No one wanted him back from melee. Whyd the bring him back Omg i hate this little 9 year old kid so much
Ryu: lol go back to street fighter with your complex combos
Yoshi: His dair is worse than the holocaust, his egg throw never works for camping. his nair never get him out of combos
Diddy Kong: This guy used to be the worst but they buffed him and hes still bad wow go back to brawl
Villager: His recovery is very bad and aerial game is atrocious.
Mii Brawler: Up B is a very good recovery move vertically but thats all he has.
Fox: awful combos and so SLOW
Falcon: Offensive game is awful. so is up air and side b.
Ness: PK Fire and throws are bad. Like lucas but just wears a cap to look cool.
F Tier:
Sonic: Slow. Spin dash is depressing to watch.
ZSS: She's like samus but without a suit. Why would you do that? If you could fight someone with a mecha suit or without one, which one would you pick?
Pikachu: Quick attack sucks. DOWN B GOT NERFED THEREFORE HE ISNT GOOD ANYMORE
Green Mario: His down throw is SO BAD. Fireballs arent good for zoning. He is not a viable character AT ALL
Rosalina & Luma: Bad customs, recovery is sappy, luma isn't even broken.
Shiek: Honestly the worst character in the game. Fair is so punishable. She kills so late and boundcing fish is SO BAD. Also, her edgeguarding is just pure GARBAGE.
09/07/2015 07:27:38
cAKE said:The sarcasm is so real
Aerodrome said:Why do you think Lucas is in tier? I would put him in at least B, just wondering.
My tier list:
SS Tier: Sheik, Rosalini & Ganon
S Tier: Luigi, Pikachu, Falcon, Yoshi, ZSS, Ness, Sonic, Mario, Fox, Wario, Diddy
A tier: Lucario, Villager, Megaman, MK, Roy, Greninja, Ryu, Pit, Dark Pit, Wii Fit Trainer
B Tier: Pac-man, DK, Little Mac, Olimar, Peach, Ike, Bowser, Duck Hunt, Toon Link, Jigglypuff
C Tier: ROB, Mii Gunner, Robin, Shulk, Charizard, Falco, Lucina, Marth
D Tier: Dedede, Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler, Lucas, Mii Sword Fighter, Kirby, Dr, Mario
E Tier: Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Zelda
Non-Functioning characters: Palutena, Samus
S Tier:
Ganondorf (G-DAWG): Very viable character, kills very early and runs stupidly fast. His recovery is ridiculously good
Dr. Mario (Doc): His offensive game is godlike. Recovery very formidable and is hard to gimp.
Palutena(GOD): Well S Tier is god tier, and palutena is a goddess. No questions. shes better without customs btw.
Charizard: He's a DRAGON. What more can you ask of him?
A Tier:
Mii Swordfighter: An amazing character with lots of potential and tons of results
Zelda(Princess): If she was put in a low tier, she would cut off my head
Falco(piece of cAKE): Falco is so swag. thats why i main him in melee.
Mii gunner: Refer to Mii gunner, theyre the same thing lol
Mewtwo: Heavy character so he can survive alot of things. His spike is godlike and his down b is amazing.
Jigglypuff: OMG REST IS BROKEN
DK: E X P A N D
Samus: Samus' roll is very good. I see people capitalizing on this on for glory.
B Tier:
Ike: woah man dont sleep on ike. his fsmash comes out so quick.
Little mac: He just keep coming back to the ledge no matter how hard you try. His aerial game is better than jiggs imo.
Robin: Very Fast character. I see so many robin mains at tournaments and on for glory
Lucina: Like marth, but has more range and has a tipper
Shulk: Like ZeRo said, he will be the best character in the game
Marth: Like lucina, but has less range and doesnt have a tipper
Bowser: His landing options are plentiful and he can easily escape combos
Bowser Jr: Lol i think hes like bowser but lighter idk tbh
C+D Tier:
( I didn't want to do the mid tiers because i basically reversed the cast so it would be boring for mid tiers as they are MID).
E Tier:
Wario: Omg this guys farts stink! not as much as biley's tho.
Lucas: dude get a haircut thats so out of fashion. hes an ok character not really viable tho considering charizard is broken
Mario: Only focuses on offense. He is like the opposite of an all-rounder. He has alot of range on his moves tho
Roy: Omg i hate this guy. First of all, he is basically an exact clone of marth but he thinks hes all cool with his fire and stuff but no roy i hate to break it to you but youre not. Third of all, No one wanted him back from melee. Whyd the bring him back Omg i hate this little 9 year old kid so much
Ryu: lol go back to street fighter with your complex combos
Yoshi: His dair is worse than the holocaust, his egg throw never works for camping. his nair never get him out of combos
Diddy Kong: This guy used to be the worst but they buffed him and hes still bad wow go back to brawl
Villager: His recovery is very bad and aerial game is atrocious.
Mii Brawler: Up B is a very good recovery move vertically but thats all he has.
Fox: awful combos and so SLOW
Falcon: Offensive game is awful. so is up air and side b.
Ness: PK Fire and throws are bad. Like lucas but just wears a cap to look cool.
F Tier:
Sonic: Slow. Spin dash is depressing to watch.
ZSS: She's like samus but without a suit. Why would you do that? If you could fight someone with a mecha suit or without one, which one would you pick?
Pikachu: Quick attack sucks. DOWN B GOT NERFED THEREFORE HE ISNT GOOD ANYMORE
Green Mario: His down throw is SO BAD. Fireballs arent good for zoning. He is not a viable character AT ALL
Rosalina & Luma: Bad customs, recovery is sappy, luma isn't even broken.
Shiek: Honestly the worst character in the game. Fair is so punishable. She kills so late and boundcing fish is SO BAD. Also, her edgeguarding is just pure GARBAGE.
09/07/2015 23:19:45
PATCH 1.1.1 TIER LIST - LEAGUE OF SHIELDBREAKS
S Tier:
A Tier:
B Tier:
C Tier:
D Tier:
E Tier:
10/02/2015 03:41:53
S Tier:
A Tier:
B Tier:
C Tier:
D Tier:
E Tier:
10/02/2015 03:41:53
Pacman should probably be A/B tier. He still has a lot of good matchups.
2 C tiers is also a weird choice.
10/02/2015 03:11:41
2 C tiers is also a weird choice.
10/02/2015 03:11:41
IVE FIXED IT
Also mii fighters (customs)
Gunner is probably A tier, B otherwise
Swordspider is probably B tier, otherwise C
Brawler is probably B tier, D tier otherwise
10/02/2015 03:15:32
Also mii fighters (customs)
Gunner is probably A tier, B otherwise
Swordspider is probably B tier, otherwise C
Brawler is probably B tier, D tier otherwise
10/02/2015 03:15:32
Why the change of heart on Falcon? What happened to he's top 5?
Seeing as Rosalina can break a shield if you shield rapid-jab, I feel like she's top 3. Pretty fair, though.
10/02/2015 04:18:13
Seeing as Rosalina can break a shield if you shield rapid-jab, I feel like she's top 3. Pretty fair, though.
10/02/2015 04:18:13
Shieldstun changes haven't helped Falcon that much
10/02/2015 04:42:21
10/02/2015 04:42:21