But it lowers him 8+ spots? Perhaps you have seen the light!
He can make U-air safe on shield, which is nice.
10/02/2015 04:53:26
1.1.1 makes bair go from safe to frame positive and uair from almost safeish to very safe, falcon likes this patch
10/02/2015 05:26:36
10/02/2015 05:26:36
Thats all he got, but characters above him got even more, though maybe he should be at the top of A tier.
10/02/2015 06:04:00
10/02/2015 06:04:00
Making a tier list this early for this patch is just theory crafting. I would wait at least a month looking at results before even thinking making a tier list. The shield stun change will move the tier list quite a bit.
10/02/2015 06:40:54
10/02/2015 06:40:54
Every tier list is just theory crafting
10/02/2015 21:58:39
10/02/2015 21:58:39
Emery said:
Every tier list is just theory crafting
I think a lot of characters get overlooked because they aren't versatile, but the whole point of said characters is that IF in the right position they can absolute dominate
10/09/2015 10:18:52
Tier lists are mainly based on 3 factors:
- Matchup spread
- Tournament results
- Potential of metagame development
Usually good tier lists are able to address all 3 of these points in a meaningful way.
10/09/2015 11:00:48
- Matchup spread
- Tournament results
- Potential of metagame development
Usually good tier lists are able to address all 3 of these points in a meaningful way.
10/09/2015 11:00:48
This is the Australian Tier List based off representation and results at majors
12/01/2015 11:06:40
lol c tier
12/01/2015 11:07:21
12/01/2015 11:07:21
Geez, do I play that badly that an S-ranked SANIC is now D-rank? lol
12/01/2015 11:17:29
12/01/2015 11:17:29
I'm confused as to how you worked it all out but I like Bowser Jr being where he belongs. B tier.
12/01/2015 11:23:32
12/01/2015 11:23:32
tfw mii gunner is bottom of bottoms
i cri everytiem
12/01/2015 11:25:07
i cri everytiem
12/01/2015 11:25:07
God, no one plays high level Ike, hope to change that.
12/01/2015 11:25:44
12/01/2015 11:25:44
Oi, did you not watch the SXC pool stream? Puff should be C tier =P
12/01/2015 12:34:16
12/01/2015 12:34:16
Invisi said:
Oi, did you not watch the SXC pool stream? Puff should be C tier =P
Yes, I remember your puff play! How are you not Power Ranked? Sorry I just kind of skimmed over puff and put it there :(
12/01/2015 21:14:57
Dang! I knew Wii Fit Trainer was good but 2nd best character in the game? B tier please xD
12/01/2015 23:00:27
12/01/2015 23:00:27
Luminescent said:
Dang! I knew Wii Fit Trainer was good but 2nd best character in the game? B tier please xD
representation and results at majors
12/02/2015 03:39:58
cAKE said:
representation and results at majors
Translation: Waveguider is amazing.
12/02/2015 07:01:27
cAKE said:
Luminescent said:
Dang! I knew Wii Fit Trainer was good but 2nd best character in the game? B tier please xD
representation and results at majors
Is this tier list legitimate? Is the world going to see how the Australian scene is through this?
12/02/2015 12:21:54
how is it an accurate tier list when it's heavily influenced by individual player skill
seems more like a "here's a list of characters that good players use which may or may not be correlated to whether those characters are good in their own right"
I mean, as everyone knows, zelda is better than sonic
12/02/2015 12:40:29
seems more like a "here's a list of characters that good players use which may or may not be correlated to whether those characters are good in their own right"
I mean, as everyone knows, zelda is better than sonic
12/02/2015 12:40:29
It's not supposed to be accurate by any means. I was just thinking of putting a bit of time into a fun Australian tier list that only factored in character usage/results. Calm down people
12/04/2015 03:46:36
12/04/2015 03:46:36
cAKE said:
It's not supposed to be accurate by any means. I was just thinking of putting a bit of time into a fun Australian tier list that only factored in character usage/results. Calm down people
Nah, good job presenting informative stuff like this. People just hate change, and when they see something that challenges their perception, they explode. Nevermind people are mistaking it for a definitive tier list, they will have an aneurysm seeing "character X" above "character Y" when they zealously believe the opposite.
What your tier list does show, though, is how unique and interesting the current AU Smash 4 landscape is. All the more reason we need representatives at Genesis 3.
12/04/2015 04:09:43
AzureWolf said:
cAKE said:
It's not supposed to be accurate by any means. I was just thinking of putting a bit of time into a fun Australian tier list that only factored in character usage/results. Calm down people
Nah, good job presenting informative stuff like this. People just hate change, and when they see something that challenges their perception, they explode. Nevermind people are mistaking it for a definitive tier list, they will have an aneurysm seeing "character X" above "character Y" when they zealously believe the opposite.
What your tier list does show, though, is how unique and interesting the current AU Smash 4 landscape is. All the more reason we need representatives at Genesis 3.
solo miig rep confirmed
12/04/2015 06:48:44
I made a tier list. Here's my rough explanation for why each character is where they are. Placings become less and less exact the further down you go. i.e. Top 15 I'm fairly certain on who is where but after that characters are pretty interchangeable.
S Tier
1) Sheik: No arguments here from anyone, right?
2) ZSS: Again, pretty obvious placing.
3) Ryu: I don't think many people would put him this high… but I will. Ridiculous character. Safe, strong, lives a long time, has solid range, absolutely stupid frame data and some of the best kill confirms/moves in the game. Stupid character. If people develop him more I feel like he could be the best in the game.
4) Rosa: Incredibly polarising character. If you can't deal with Luma you're probably screwed. If you can, she's probably screwed. But not really cos then she just use her amazing run away and disjoints to stop you from approaching for 13 seconds and then go back to walling you out. Characters that rely on projectiles to get things done are also screwed over with one move.
5) Sonic: Sure he's been nerfed, but he controls the pace of the game incredibly well. His speed is such that he can just run away and not interact with you for large swathes of the match if he wants to. Has solid kill moves but no real easy confirms. Probably the only thing that's holding him back atm.
6) Diddy: Again, he's been nerfed harder than just about any character and yet here he is. Bananas are nothing short of amazing, Still has reliable kill confirms even without hoo-hah. Quick/small character with great item game? Auto top tier.
A+ Tier
7) Meta Knight: Ridiculous punishes; the character. Average but hardly bottom tier neutral stops him being as oppressive as he was in Brawl but his punish game could probably stand to be toned down slightly.
8) Fox: Has trouble against a few characters but his punish game is pretty amazing. Don't touch his shield if you're anywhere near kill percent because you'll be eating a frame 8 up smash that'll send you to outer space. Zone breaks incredibly well and has kill confirms everywhere. This character is amazing.
9) Mario: Has tools to fight every matchup in the game effectively. Reflector, frame data, great mobility, powerful combo game, solid kill options. Mario really doesn't lack anything besides a kill confirm which is reportedly being developed at the moment anyway.
10) Ness: Very simple character with a few bad MUs but his grab reward alone is enough to make up for it. Will probably slip down the more the meta develops but atm is in a really good spot.
11) Pikachu: I've probably put Pika a bit low but not much of this character has been seen thus far. Has a few good traits but nothing too extreme like the other top and high tiers. If he develops a bit more, will most certainly travel up.
12) Falcon: Like Ness, a very simple character. Will also, like Ness, probably fall down my tier lit when other characters are developed and when we get better at edgeguarding him. I've put him higher up than others would mainly because he walls you out so well with Jab. It's a ridiculous move. He has great kill moves but no real confirms. He benefits from rage more than just about any other top or high tier (except Rosa) so the mechanics of the game really benefit him.
13) Yoshi: Amazing frame data and mobility. Kinda held back by a lack of kill confirms, but can sometimes set up for a kill move with jab 1. Everyone knows Yoshi by now but I think a lot of people overrate him because of his mobility and damage per hit. When it comes to actually securing the kill, he doesn't really have a lot of options because his grab is so bad.
14) Villager: Fantastic Zoning but like a lot of the characters in this tier, lacks a kill confirm. Does have a plethora of moves that will get the job done though. Bad grab and mobility the only thing stopping this character from being oppressive af.
15) Wario: Great weaving and an amazing command grab. Doesn't have a whole lot of combos or anything like that but doesn't need to with waft. Has trouble against some of the top tiers but on the whole this character is really good.
A Tier
16) Ike: Probs surprising a lot of people with this placement but y'all sleeping on him. Great grab game, solid normals, has incredible range and damage per hit, lots of kill moves and 50/50s. Poor mobility and no easy kill confirm on the entire cast stops him going any higher but this character is very good.
17) Greninja: Great combo game, projectile and mobility. Only thing holding this character back right now is representation. Should probably be higher on my list but doesn't have *a lot* of results to his name.
18) Toon Link: I slept on this character then I played Corpse. Genuinely scary projectile game and kill confirms of them. This character will go further if someone great picks him up.
19) ROB: Probably a bit lower than most people would put him. Not sure why but I just feel the characters above him have stronger traits. His big hurtbox hinders him too. Despite this, Gyro's are amazing and so are his throws. Has tonnes of potential.
20) Luigi: Nerfs really hurt him hard imo. Having an easy kill confirm that works on the entire cast regardless of DI and rage was pretty broken and just a sort of bandage holding together a solid but not great character. Has a lot of trouble dealing with camping characters like Sheik and Villager but does really well against a lot of other characters, some much higher than him such as Fox. A very volatile MU spread.
21) Olimar: Not a whole lot of rep but this character is simple but good. FSmash is just ridiculous for what it does and all of aerials are amazing except maybe dair. If developed could go up but in a solid spot at the moment.
22) Peach: Amazing combo game and a good item but not much rep and some difficult MUs like Villager (so I've heard) hold her back. Very safe thanks to float and moves like dair.
23) Mii Gunner: Probably a bit high but this character has some serious potential. Surprised nobody has taken it seriously. Has a Villager-esque forward air projectile that also acts as a movement tool. Down smash is ridiculously powerful and fast. Fsmash has 100000000 active frames and range that'd make Ike's fallic sword jealous.
B Tier
24) Pit/Dark Pit. Solid all round character. MU spread would look basically even across the board. Not much really to say.
25) Pac Man: Solid character but relies a lot on out neutral-ing his opponent too much. If the opponent doesn't care about Pac's neutral (Rosa) or only needs to win neutral a handful of times to take a stock (Fox) then Pac can struggle. Doesn't have too many horrid MUs, but doesn't really beat anyone in the top 10 except Ness. His future in the meta will depend on whether counterplay to his neutral antics is developed as fast or faster than his extremely good setups.
So that's the top 25, does anyone care if I don't do the rest?
12/04/2015 09:14:39
you know i still have a few issues with that tier list, but its the most agreeable one i've seen to date
12/04/2015 09:17:59
12/04/2015 09:17:59