I honestly don't think dean would back you up :/
11/22/2016 07:50:10
yea k just like how you are only talking now that maribro has a chance of getting lynched. no we both go home from school
11/22/2016 07:52:01
11/22/2016 07:52:01
I can agree to this, he's also dismissing Maribro and I to be lying, I don't honestly think anyone was too clear of the masonizer role up until now though, otherwise it would have been mentioned in the defense by Maribro since he almost got lynched. (1 or 2 votes is a pretty easy hammer and I don't think any sane person would risk holding that kinda evidence lightly)
11/22/2016 07:52:59
11/22/2016 07:52:59
I give my thoughts when I'm not busy, I'm currently not busy and day 3 is way more interesting than day 2
11/22/2016 07:53:11
11/22/2016 07:53:11
Also i meant I agree to insertname, i probably should have quoted him, my b.
11/22/2016 07:53:39
11/22/2016 07:53:39
#VICbias for rhyno not maribro
11/22/2016 07:54:49
11/22/2016 07:54:49
I think people are trying to play too "out of game" here.
Like Idk why there is so much discussion over the details of a mod PM to Maribro. That shouldn't really be a discussion point.
I'm not in support of lynching Maribro so quickly, we should obviously discuss the implications of whether he flips maf or town, and who's been in support/against the lynch, before we hammer him. But I'm still pretty sure he's easily the most suspicious person based upon the info we currently have.
11/22/2016 07:56:23
Like Idk why there is so much discussion over the details of a mod PM to Maribro. That shouldn't really be a discussion point.
I'm not in support of lynching Maribro so quickly, we should obviously discuss the implications of whether he flips maf or town, and who's been in support/against the lynch, before we hammer him. But I'm still pretty sure he's easily the most suspicious person based upon the info we currently have.
11/22/2016 07:56:23
i think you understood me wrong insert. im not saying you're a lurker. im saying im only active now since school is over at this time similar to how you were inactive earlier today because of school as well. so neither of us are lurking right?
11/22/2016 07:56:25
11/22/2016 07:56:25
Vic Bias against another Vic. :)
11/22/2016 07:56:43
11/22/2016 07:56:43
Ghostbone said:
I think people are trying to play too "out of game" here.
Like Idk why there is so much discussion over the details of a mod PM to Maribro. That shouldn't really be a discussion point.
This please, don't bug people about their PMs.
11/22/2016 07:57:22
alright fine, but I'm still holding that thing you did in day 2 (maybe 1)
11/22/2016 07:57:47
11/22/2016 07:57:47
Ghostbone said:
I think people are trying to play too "out of game" here.
Like Idk why there is so much discussion over the details of a mod PM to Maribro. That shouldn't really be a discussion point.
I'm not in support of lynching Maribro so quickly, we should obviously discuss the implications of whether he flips maf or town, and who's been in support/against the lynch, before we hammer him. But I'm still pretty sure he's easily the most suspicious person based upon the info we currently have.
The reason of the mod PM being significant is because he wouldn't be contacted by the mod if he were mafia as the masonry fails if he were mafia. Also sorry for mentioning it again Dean, didn't see the message until I had posted.
11/22/2016 08:00:21
Rhyno said:
The reason of the mod PM being significant is because he wouldn't be contacted by the mod if he were mafia as the masonry fails if he were mafia.
Why would Maribro not be notified if he was visited by the masonizer?
I mean the implication is that when the masonizer visits the mafia, the mafia kills them.
11/22/2016 08:02:10
Rhyno said:
So I asked Dean that if a mafia member is masonized by a masoner what would happen.
The results came back as follows. Anti-town cannot join a masonry, however Maribro got a message confirming that the masonry was successful.
Dean also said that he messages a player once they join a masonry, since Maribro got a message does that mean he successfully joined the masonry?
What are everyone s thoughts on this.
Rhyno said:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer#Variations
Also on this website it says if a masonizer contacts a mafia, the action will fail.
This should clarify what happens as a masonizer, Ghost. The implication from this is that if Spacejam tried to join a mafia member as a part of the masonry, Maribro would not have received any notification of the attempt to join him if he were mafia.
11/22/2016 08:06:28
not everything the wiki says is 100% correct always. The wiki probably sometimes is correct but dean can do what he wants at the end of the day/
11/22/2016 08:06:38
11/22/2016 08:06:38
I asked Dean, so it doesn't matter if the wiki is different, he said that anti-town cannot join a masonry and if the masonry is successful, that person will be contacted. In this case it should be deemed as successful since he was notified.
11/22/2016 08:08:38
11/22/2016 08:08:38
Either way aero said it before if he was Mafia he would be in a great position to claim he got the mason successfully because he knows that's the only way spacejam could have died. (If he killed luminous)
11/22/2016 08:08:56
11/22/2016 08:08:56
The action fails, and the masonizer dies.
How else do they die besides the mafia killing them, and if the mafia kills them, presumably the mafia is notified of this fact.
Plus, Dean doesn't have to follow the wiki exactly.
What Maribro SAYS was in the PM to him also means nothing, he can make that up. Town has no knowledge of the fact of whether the masonry action was successful. There's no way we can assume that it was successful and Maribro isn't maf
11/22/2016 08:10:55
How else do they die besides the mafia killing them, and if the mafia kills them, presumably the mafia is notified of this fact.
Plus, Dean doesn't have to follow the wiki exactly.
What Maribro SAYS was in the PM to him also means nothing, he can make that up. Town has no knowledge of the fact of whether the masonry action was successful. There's no way we can assume that it was successful and Maribro isn't maf
11/22/2016 08:10:55
I feel like if Maribro was actually lying his defense of himself would have been much better, but it wasn't as good as it could have been since the role of the masonizer was unclear.
I asked Dean directly what happens if masonizer forms a masonry so let's go with that.
A masonry cant be formed with anti-town.
A message is sent to a player once they join the masonry.
Therefore it is dependent on whether Maribro actually got the PM. But I can't see him making a false claim like that with the poor knowledge in his defense that he displayed.
11/22/2016 08:15:32
Ghostbone said:
The action fails, and the masonizer dies.
How else do they die besides the mafia killing them, and if the mafia kills them, presumably the mafia is notified of this fact.
Plus, Dean doesn't have to follow the wiki exactly.
What Maribro SAYS was in the PM to him also means nothing, he can make that up. Town has no knowledge of the fact of whether the masonry action was successful. There's no way we can assume that it was successful and Maribro isn't maf
I asked Dean directly what happens if masonizer forms a masonry so let's go with that.
A masonry cant be formed with anti-town.
A message is sent to a player once they join the masonry.
Therefore it is dependent on whether Maribro actually got the PM. But I can't see him making a false claim like that with the poor knowledge in his defense that he displayed.
11/22/2016 08:15:32
I wouldn't lynch Maribro this day anyway. Night would answer a few questions about killing factions
11/22/2016 08:21:42
11/22/2016 08:21:42
Rhyno said:
A masonry cant be formed with anti-town.
A message is sent to a player once they join the masonry.
Therefore it is dependent on whether Maribro actually got the PM. But I can't see him making a false claim like that with the poor knowledge in his defense that he displayed.
Masonry can't be formed with anti-town, instead the masonizer dies.
If Maribro is maf, he wouldn't have got a PM saying he joined the masonry, rather that Spacejam attempted to visit him.
11/22/2016 08:23:34
cjeccjec said:
I wouldn't lynch Maribro this day anyway. Night would answer a few questions about killing factions
I agree to this, could be a bit weird due to night ones results however. Like if there were two killing factions did they both target the same person, or was a medic successful. A medic being successful wouldn't be highly unlikely I guess.
11/22/2016 08:24:04
We're going around in circles here pls Was mostly referring to ghost btw
11/22/2016 08:24:55
11/22/2016 08:24:55
Dean; If a masonizer attempted to form a masonry with a mafia member, do they receive a message that they were visited by a masonizer.
11/22/2016 08:26:09
11/22/2016 08:26:09
I mean I'm going to point out imo one of the the silliest defenses I've seen.
Maribro could well be town, and it's just unlucky that spacejam died the same night he visited Maribro, but that's not because of Rhyno's explanation.
11/22/2016 08:27:05
Maribro could well be town, and it's just unlucky that spacejam died the same night he visited Maribro, but that's not because of Rhyno's explanation.
11/22/2016 08:27:05