Doctor is one of the strongest mafia game roles, I highly doubt there's 2 of them.
02/21/2016 13:11:12
also no cake he wasnt implying there are 2 town doctors, how did you come to that conclusion, he was ultimately saying that if 2 people are claiming to be a doctor, you have no idea which one is telling the truth
02/21/2016 13:11:57
02/21/2016 13:11:57
Yeah, ultimately the scenario could go like this:
1) Maribro is mafia and trying to lure out the doctor, once lured out the mafia kill him at night
2) Maribro gets the doctor to come forward, the doctor comes forward, but so does a Mafia claiming to be the doctor. Lynch one of the doctors, if you get the mafia, cool, if not then Maribro kills the faker at night with his power
3) The doctor reveals himself but the Mafia makes no counterclaim, Maribro uses his ONE USE SAVE on the doctor leaving the doc vulnerable on night 3.
Thinking about it now, the 3rd option is probably most likely to happen out of the three scenarios.
02/21/2016 13:16:33
1) Maribro is mafia and trying to lure out the doctor, once lured out the mafia kill him at night
2) Maribro gets the doctor to come forward, the doctor comes forward, but so does a Mafia claiming to be the doctor. Lynch one of the doctors, if you get the mafia, cool, if not then Maribro kills the faker at night with his power
3) The doctor reveals himself but the Mafia makes no counterclaim, Maribro uses his ONE USE SAVE on the doctor leaving the doc vulnerable on night 3.
Thinking about it now, the 3rd option is probably most likely to happen out of the three scenarios.
02/21/2016 13:16:33
maribro's play just means the doctor has to think really hard about who to protect tonight if they don't come forward, and if they do come forward it means maribro burns his protect and the mafia target someone else at random. bad play, bad town?
also aero is kissing ass but i like it so dont stop bb
02/21/2016 13:17:30
also aero is kissing ass but i like it so dont stop bb
02/21/2016 13:17:30
cAKE said:
Are you trying to imply that there could be two town doctors? The one who saved the townie last night would say and the other (if he's town) wouldn't object because that would be going against the town. If there's one town doctor, why would the other one be town? What townie goes against town? I'm still not saying I fully support Maribros idea as it has flaws, but I just found that dumb.
No im saying the two people who step forward are both going to know who was saved because the person was saved. So what do we have to prove who the fake doctor is?
02/21/2016 13:17:43
you forgot option 4. We kill maribro and he gets really angry because he was telling the truth
02/21/2016 13:19:08
02/21/2016 13:19:08
Pazx said:
also aero is kissing ass but i like it so dont stop bb
02/21/2016 13:19:20
Aerodrome said:
Yeah, ultimately the scenario could go like this:
1) Maribro is mafia and trying to lure out the doctor, once lured out the mafia kill him at night
2) Maribro gets the doctor to come forward, the doctor comes forward, but so does a Mafia claiming to be the doctor. Lynch one of the doctors, if you get the mafia, cool, if not then Maribro kills the faker at night with his power
3) The doctor reveals himself but the Mafia makes no counterclaim, Maribro uses his ONE USE SAVE on the doctor leaving the doc vulnerable on night 3.
Thinking about it now, the 3rd option is probably most likely to happen out of the three scenarios.
Whats worse is smart mafia will probably kill someone completely different, likely the person they tried to kill the first night or one of the people who are proving themselves to be a stronger player. Provided we get option 3
02/21/2016 13:19:50
Atyeo said:
Also, this thought came to me and I dont really think we should chase it right now, but IF aero is a mafia and his way of making sure no one suspects him is to just constantly flatter the players who are doing things and by being really friendly and supportive and saying things like 'I'm glad we listened to Atyeo'
Then I want it on record that if this is indeed true, its a fucking genius play.
Voting against his own tracker is a poor move. If the mafia want to consistently remove power roles from the game then they need their tracker. It'd be a risky play so that aero can remain largely anonymous but have very little leeway in killing relevant people.
Urisk said:
Maribro said:
I don't think you've properly understood any of what I've said.
Say the doctor comes out. 2 Options
A Fake First B Fake 2nd
who do you believe and why?
We have a 50 50 shot of getting it right.
You then suggest you will kill the remaining person because they "are mafia"
What if you're wrong?
Your play just let the mafia kill 2 VERY BENEFICIAL people for the cost of one of their own. quite frankly as it stands you aren't worth 2 beneficial people. Furthermore, nothing is hard proving your town.
Use logic to predict the likelihood of who was saved and who most fits in with being a doctor.
If I'm wrong? we lynch the wrong doctor and then I take out a mafia goon at night with my power. We trade a power role who we probably don't need that much considering how heavily we currently outnumber the mafia. Here are the possible out comes of the doctor outing himself
1) True doctor outs himself, no fakes come forward. We gain valuable information on two players who are definitely town and can make a more educated lynch.
2) Fake doctor outs himself, true doctor also comes out but we lynch the true doctor. I use my kill power that night to take out the fake doctor. The mafia lose another member but we lose a doctor. Given how heavily we will outnumber them at this point, it shouldn't matter all that much.
3) Fake doctor outs himself, true doctor outs himself and we lynch the fake. We kill a mafia basically for free, we gain valuable insight to other possible mafia connections and we lose no members. I can save the doctor and the doctor can save me, forcing the mafia to kill someone who may not have a power role and we are in a great position to win.
4) Fake doctor outs himself, true doctor does not. Will be very bad and the onus is on the true doctor to come forward and prevent this from happening.
As you can see, a fake doctor coming forward is a bad play for the mafia. If they screw up and we sniff the fake out, it's game over. If we don't then they lose a mafia member and are in a super bad spot. The doctor is pretty safe in coming out now imo and if the mafia want to risk losing another member then they can go ahead frankly.
The only evidence that I am town that exists is that I was one of the first to accuse laggy. I don't think Mafia would want to kill laggy because of the usefulness of his role and they especially wouldn't want to be accusing him and trying to convince others to kill him like I was.
02/21/2016 13:20:20
Atyeo said:
also no cake he wasnt implying there are 2 town doctors, how did you come to that conclusion, he was ultimately saying that if 2 people are claiming to be a doctor, you have no idea which one is telling the truth
Yes but he says you kill one the other is possible to not be a Mafia. Wat. Unless he thinks there are two doctors (which yes I think it's a 99.99% chance there isn't), this doesn't make sense. Why would a non doctor townie say that they're doctor?
Also invisi you are playing a little scummy. As I have said before, proposing, voting or supporting something then immediately going back on it once someone objects is textbook Mafia.
02/21/2016 13:20:39
Atyeo said:He's been acting super suspicious but I'm not so sure we should lynch him yet... I think he just didn't think through his play quite as far ahead as he should have. Even I got roped into it. :x
you forgot option 4. We kill maribro and he gets really angry because he was telling the truth
02/21/2016 13:21:16
At least give me one more night to prove my innocence. If the doctor play ends up happening and we lynch the wrong one, we will know that I am telling the truth if the fake doctor winds up dead.
02/21/2016 13:23:03
02/21/2016 13:23:03
Urisk said:
cAKE said:
Are you trying to imply that there could be two town doctors? The one who saved the townie last night would say and the other (if he's town) wouldn't object because that would be going against the town. If there's one town doctor, why would the other one be town? What townie goes against town? I'm still not saying I fully support Maribros idea as it has flaws, but I just found that dumb.
No im saying the two people who step forward are both going to know who was saved because the person was saved. So what do we have to prove who the fake doctor is?
If we go along with Maribros plan and lynch the fake, dean will tell us and vice versa. Maribro will use his power to kill the faker if we lynch the townie. We know after they die.
02/21/2016 13:25:57
Atyeo said:
thats like saying
'oh that color is black'
"no it isn't its white"
'yeah thats probably a better name for it' you said it'd be a good idea if it could work, now you are saying its the opposite of a good idea, are you trying to cover up a possible MISTAKE?
I'm pointing out that you misinterpreted my initial post. I said that it would be a good idea if it would work, but it probably won't work, which therefore makes it a bad idea. This was the intended meaning of my initial post, and I stand by it. I probably didn't make the final "which therefore makes it a bad idea" clear enough in my initial post, which is indeed my mistake.
02/21/2016 13:28:32
Maribro said:
Voting against his own tracker is a poor move. If the mafia want to consistently remove power roles from the game then they need their tracker. It'd be a risky play so that aero can remain largely anonymous but have very little leeway in killing relevant people.
sure it is, unless you know the group has already resolved to killing laggy, in which case you vote along with them so that you dont drawn attention to yourself.
Afterall one of the first things that happened at the beginning of this day was people suggesting that anyone who didnt vote laggy is likely to be mafia.
Your thinking is way too linear dude you need to start thinking about all those branching possibilities and multiple layer plays.
Also I've given up arguing with you about your shit doctor play, there are so many reasons why its bad and you should just stop because it seems pretty obvious at this point that whoever the doctor is thinks its dumb and thus hasn't outed themselves (for a very good reason) also, if maribro is a mafia he could easily be reinforcing his 'doctor play' by constantly trying to bring up this fake doctor shit and how a fake doctor by the mafia is a bad idea and so the real doctor can safely just speak up, which could easily just be all bullshit to get the real doctor to speak up, and then there doesn't need to be a fake doctor because the mafia can just kill the real doctor.
OR he is a townie, and he thinks that just because he can one time only save a doctor tonight, that the doctor is safe, and a similar thing could happen, the real doctor comes out, and mafia lol to themselves, no fake shows up, they just kill someone else, maribro wastes his one time save, and then night 3 the mafia kill the doctor. like paz said, its a shit play. ^ if that doesn't convince you maribro that may god have mercy on your soul
02/21/2016 13:32:24
Maribro said:
I'm jack of all trades. My powers this time were kill, save and track. I tracked JLo at night and it came back negative. Like I said, doesn't mean he's innocent but it hints at it.
This will help see if Maribro is indeed telling the truth about his powers and if he can be trusted.
JLo, is maribro right? did you do anything last night?
02/21/2016 13:35:09
Atyeo said:I said this:
OR he is a townie, and he thinks that just because he can one time only save a doctor tonight, that the doctor is safe, and a similar thing could happen, the real doctor comes out, and mafia lol to themselves, no fake shows up, they just kill someone else, maribro wastes his one time save, and then night 3 the mafia kill the doctor. like paz said, its a shit play.
Aerodrome said:
3) The doctor reveals himself but the Mafia makes no counterclaim, Maribro uses his ONE USE SAVE on the doctor leaving the doc vulnerable on night 3.
Thinking about it now, the 3rd option is probably most likely to happen out of the three scenarios.
hue, I'm getting decent at this game.
Let's move on from the doctor play. It's not going to happen, and the doctor doesn't seem to have any interest in revealing their power role today.
02/21/2016 13:37:06
Atyeo said:
Maribro said:
Voting against his own tracker is a poor move. If the mafia want to consistently remove power roles from the game then they need their tracker. It'd be a risky play so that aero can remain largely anonymous but have very little leeway in killing relevant people.
sure it is, unless you know the group has already resolved to killing laggy, in which case you vote along with them so that you dont drawn attention to yourself.
Afterall one of the first things that happened at the beginning of this day was people suggesting that anyone who didnt vote laggy is likely to be mafia.
Your thinking is way too linear dude you need to start thinking about all those branching possibilities and multiple layer plays.
Also I've given up arguing with you about your shit doctor play, there are so many reasons why its bad and you should just stop because it seems pretty obvious at this point that whoever the doctor is thinks its dumb and thus hasn't outed themselves (for a very good reason) also, if maribro is a mafia he could easily be reinforcing his 'doctor play' by constantly trying to bring up this fake doctor shit and how a fake doctor by the mafia is a bad idea and so the real doctor can safely just speak up, which could easily just be all bullshit to get the real doctor to speak up, and then there doesn't need to be a fake doctor because the mafia can just kill the real doctor.
OR he is a townie, and he thinks that just because he can one time only save a doctor tonight, that the doctor is safe, and a similar thing could happen, the real doctor comes out, and mafia lol to themselves, no fake shows up, they just kill someone else, maribro wastes his one time save, and then night 3 the mafia kill the doctor. like paz said, its a shit play. ^ if that doesn't convince you maribro that may god have mercy on your soul
On top of this, what if mafia has a power/role blocker? Doctor outs himself and you "attempt to save him" doctor dies even if no other mafia fakes come out. even if only the doctor comes out, someone else dies tonight because you think you're worth more than an unknown power role.
02/21/2016 13:37:13
HydroPimp said:
Maribro said:
I'm jack of all trades. My powers this time were kill, save and track. I tracked JLo at night and it came back negative. Like I said, doesn't mean he's innocent but it hints at it.
This will help see if Maribro is indeed telling the truth about his powers and if he can be trusted.
JLo, is maribro right? did you do anything last night?
His statement makes me appear innocent, so the optimal play for me here is for me to say no. That's up to everyone else to believe me, Maribro, both of us or neither of us.
02/21/2016 13:42:30
With the true doctor outs himself no fake comes forward reason Maribro how do we know that the "true" doctor is not just some lying scum who says the saved another scum? And what if the town Doctor comes out and the Mafia kill someone else during night and kill him with that knowledge on night 3? I'm done. It's a high risk high reward play and if it goes wrong, we lose townies, roles and spoonfeeding the Mafia info. The Mafia would've read all of the reasons why it's bad.
I think everyone believes that the doctor plan is shit so we can all move on. Seriously, we've been discussing this all day IRL. Where were we? Oh yeah, putting pressure on JLo.
02/21/2016 13:45:20
I think everyone believes that the doctor plan is shit so we can all move on. Seriously, we've been discussing this all day IRL. Where were we? Oh yeah, putting pressure on JLo.
02/21/2016 13:45:20
Atyeo said:
Your thinking is way too linear dude you need to start thinking about all those branching possibilities and multiple layer plays.
no fake shows up, they just kill someone else, maribro wastes his one time save, and then night 3 the mafia kill the doctor. like paz said, its a shit play. ^ if that doesn't convince you maribro that may god have mercy on your soul
Now you're thinking linearly. I'm not tied into saving the doctor. I can save whoever I want. I was trying to lead the mafia to believe that I'd save the doctor to take their aim away from him. I'd say you or Pazx are the most likely targets as you two are the most vociferous and logical of our townspeople and you were the people I was really trying to save. But I guess all that's moot because my plan is "shit" and having the mafia try and guess out of about 4 people who they should actually kill is a bad idea.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like I already said, Doc, if you're out there keep me alive and I can try and figure out who the mafia is gonna hit.
JLo said:
HydroPimp said:
Maribro said:
I'm jack of all trades. My powers this time were kill, save and track. I tracked JLo at night and it came back negative. Like I said, doesn't mean he's innocent but it hints at it.
This will help see if Maribro is indeed telling the truth about his powers and if he can be trusted.
JLo, is maribro right? did you do anything last night?
His statement makes me appear innocent, so the optimal play for me here is for me to say no. That's up to everyone else to believe me, Maribro, both of us or neither of us.
Tracking is a very limited role. If you were mafia but not the specific mafia that made the kill, it'd still return that you committed no action in that phase. I have as much reason to believe you are mafia as I do that you are not.
02/21/2016 13:49:14
JLo said:
HydroPimp said:
Maribro said:
I'm jack of all trades. My powers this time were kill, save and track. I tracked JLo at night and it came back negative. Like I said, doesn't mean he's innocent but it hints at it.
This will help see if Maribro is indeed telling the truth about his powers and if he can be trusted.
JLo, is maribro right? did you do anything last night?
His statement makes me appear innocent, so the optimal play for me here is for me to say no. That's up to everyone else to believe me, Maribro, both of us or neither of us.
Well if you did do something it would should maribro is most likley mafia and his lying about his powers. It would be a good for the town even if you have to reveal a power role as we will kill another mafia. would mean maribro is most likley mafia* typo
02/21/2016 13:55:02
HydroPimp said:
JLo said:
HydroPimp said:
Maribro said:
I'm jack of all trades. My powers this time were kill, save and track. I tracked JLo at night and it came back negative. Like I said, doesn't mean he's innocent but it hints at it.
This will help see if Maribro is indeed telling the truth about his powers and if he can be trusted.
JLo, is maribro right? did you do anything last night?
His statement makes me appear innocent, so the optimal play for me here is for me to say no. That's up to everyone else to believe me, Maribro, both of us or neither of us.
Well if you did do something it would should maribro is most likley mafia and his lying about his powers. It would be a good for the town even if you have to reveal a power role as we will kill another mafia. would mean maribro is most likley mafia* typo
doesn't show that jlo isnt mafia trying to get us to kill maribro though.
02/21/2016 13:56:44
VOTE: Unvote
I'm so confused atm. It's time for bed but I want to see where Atyeo and Pazx want to go with their lynch votes.
Good night bros!
02/21/2016 14:13:51
I'm so confused atm. It's time for bed but I want to see where Atyeo and Pazx want to go with their lynch votes.
Good night bros!
02/21/2016 14:13:51
Vote: Unvote
Yeah voting for yourself is dumb, don't do it lol (shoutouts to LEF and Laggy). I am a townie and I have extreme confidence that I won't get implicated, that's why I did it.
02/21/2016 14:17:27
Yeah voting for yourself is dumb, don't do it lol (shoutouts to LEF and Laggy). I am a townie and I have extreme confidence that I won't get implicated, that's why I did it.
02/21/2016 14:17:27