cAKE said:
everyone is just coming out
Its 2016 I thought everyone was accepting
02/23/2016 10:16:52
Its 2016 I thought everyone was accepting
02/23/2016 10:16:52
You're dead, cAKE. Don't post. First and last warning.
02/23/2016 10:18:03
02/23/2016 10:18:03
Alright so in all seriousness, if pazx is the cop, which seems fair enough. We lynch hydro, I think his cop oust was faulty at best. maribro vouches for jlo, pazx vouches for hydro being mafia. Seems like the easy kill, we can always have wooy kill pazx if hydro turns out to be good on death.
02/23/2016 10:21:36
02/23/2016 10:21:36
Well, Pazx certainly makes a convincing argument. Who's your pro-town result that we can trust?
02/23/2016 10:22:32
02/23/2016 10:22:32
Urisk said:
During the first night, I put Wooy to sleep for I am JigglyPuff. Each night I can use Rest to put someone to sleep and prevent them from completing their night action.
I didn't really have a reason to pick any specific player so I opted for wooy as he was one of the newer players who added at least slightly to the conversation day 1.Urisk said:
During the first night, I put Wooy to sleep for I am JigglyPuff. Each night I can use Rest to put someone to sleep and prevent them from completing their night action.
I didn't really have a reason to pick any specific player so I opted for wooy as he was one of the newer players who added at least slightly to the conversation day 1.
Well that's poor timing to come out as a town roleblocker :/
Rest? But sing is the move Jigglypuff uses to send people to sleep!
02/23/2016 10:23:50
Wooy said:
Rest? But sing is the move Jigglypuff uses to send people to sleep!
Lol that's what I was thinking. If this is true, Dean pls =P
02/23/2016 10:25:29
Invisi said:
Wooy said:
Rest? But sing is the move Jigglypuff uses to send people to sleep!
Lol that's what I was thinking. If this is true, Dean pls =P
I guess rest is more thematic?
02/23/2016 10:29:35
It would make more sense as like a suicide kill move though, sing works as a roleblock. I dunno, Puff is important to me =P
02/23/2016 10:31:07
02/23/2016 10:31:07
Invisi said:
It would make more sense as like a suicide kill move though, sing works as a roleblock.
I dont make the roles, I just block them :)
02/23/2016 10:31:22
ok I will be home in 20 minutes prepare yourselves
02/23/2016 10:33:02
02/23/2016 10:33:02
Ahahahahahaha
02/23/2016 10:33:07
02/23/2016 10:33:07
02/23/2016 10:34:30
Invisi said:If he reveals this then they would be an easy target for the mafia in the night, since the doc will be busy watching over Pazx.
Well, Pazx certainly makes a convincing argument. Who's your pro-town result that we can trust?
02/23/2016 10:39:01
So Pazx - why exactly should we not just lynch Hydro right now?
Ah I didn't think of that, good point. He can reveal it tomorrow then.
02/23/2016 10:40:18
Windkeeper0 said:
If he reveals this then they would be an easy target for the mafia in the night, since the doc will be busy watching over Pazx.
Ah I didn't think of that, good point. He can reveal it tomorrow then.
02/23/2016 10:40:18
Yeah I want to hear his reasoning before proceeding with this
02/23/2016 10:40:15
02/23/2016 10:40:15
Explanation time.
This post was unappreciated, I have no other reason to quote it, I just found it amusing.
This was actually not addressed to me, instead you were accusing Hydro of fakeclaiming Cop to avoid being lynched. The good news is that you're completely correct, the bad news is that your reasoning is off, the result I got on night one was "town" and the result I got on night 2 is "anti-town". This means that there is a very real possibility that the "anti-town" player Hydro is actually a serial killer, or other third-party role. I believe he is likely Mafia though, and hopefully for the sake of the game a mafia roleblocker (if I get this right then holy shit my reads are on point).
Barry, you need to post more.
LOL
That's rough, but I wouldn't worry too much, if you're town you won't die tonight anyway, there are bigger targets for the mafia to hit - I'll get to that in a moment.
It's pretty crazy I know, maybe Dean believes in second chances? I'm not sure if you actually believe me or not, so here's why you should. Hopefully typing all of this is worth it, as it sets us up on a very strong foundation with which we can close the game out very easily.
All of the evidence points to me being a cop. I breadcrumbed hard on day 1, which is exactly what I did in the previous game, if I was Mafia breadcrumbing like that would be incredibly risky (I'm fairly certain at least one player picked up on it). I've been pro-town the entire game, but marginally less so than in the previous game. I believe it is very possible I was a nightkill target on day 1 and I was saved, and then on day 2 I let other people be the town's driving forces to take the heat off myself (as it's especially important for me to avoid dying). Maribro claims to have protected me on night 2 anyway, which is nice, and furthermore the right choice. Well done dude, I know it's unlikely I was targeted on night 2 and we lost a very strong townie in the process but the alternative (you protect Luke, I get killed) was far worse for the town, and your protection that night could have been the turning point of the game.
I was planning on claiming today (day 3), that's why I've been so much more active and pro-town than yesterday. In fact, the delay last night? That was me. I intentionally waited until this (irl) morning to submit my investigation target to Dean, partially to see how other players would react (the result: poorly) and partially because I just really wanted sleep, and I trusted that if I was the nightkill Dean would advance the game regardless of whether I chose to investigate a player or not. My proof of this is that I was the first (or second? @Cake might have beat me) post this morning less than 5 minutes after Dean unlocked the thread (which in turn was only moments after I requested an investigation into HydroPimp).
I initially wanted everybody to speak before I claimed, so I could gauge some reactions and see if I could spot another obvious mafioso member, or get a fake claim. We managed to draw the fake claim from Hydro, luckily for the Mafia the player who claimed my role just happens to be the player I investigated last night so I haven't actually gained any information from this exchange, except that I now believe Jlo is town with near 100% certainty.
Why did I claim when I did? I was under no pressure, in fact the players under pressure were you (Jlo) and HydroPimp. I'm keeping the pressure on Hydro, and taking it off you, so the two possibilities are that 1. I am Mafia and Jlo is one of my partners, or 2. I am telling the truth. We already had strong town-reads on Jlo thanks to Maribro's tracking, and Jlo himself can confirm that he is not Mafia, meaning that 2 is clearly the more likely option. If I was Mafia, why would I claim now and then continue to pressure Hydro when I could have just let him get lynched today anyway?
The fact that I am the Town Cop is also partially the reason I was so adamant about the doctor staying quiet, the other reason is because that was a legitimately garbage play, Maribro.
This last line was also really funny, but I have a feeling you might have SLIPPED UP HERE URISK.
Next order of business, my suggested plan of action for day 3 and night 3.
This is correct, although I am quite confident that there is at least one other obvious target for the Mafia so if I were to reveal their identity they would probably survive. The prime targets for the mafia are gonna be Maribro and Wooy, although there is a very real possibility that only one of them is town. This is why I want them to double up on their nightkill tonight.
The question on everybody's lips!
Urisk's claim casts a little bit of doubt over the following, as this was my plan before he posted.
Today, on day 3, we as a town have to decide upon TWO kills. One is going to be HydroPimp, I'm not sure who the other will be just yet. One is going to be a lynch, the other is going to be a nightkill carried out by either Maribro or Wooy. The reason I want them to target Hydropimp instead of lynching him today is that by having a CONFIRMED mafioso the victim of the vigilante kill it forces the Mafia roleblocker's hand, which is a role I believe to be in this game. Forcing the Mafia roleblocker to choose between Maribro, Wooy and myself means it's likely I'm going to have another successful investigation tonight as they're not going to allow a mafioso to be killed if they can help it. If you believe I am the Town Cop (notice how HydroPimp has shut up entirely now?) then I am confident this play will win us the game.
How does Urisk's claim change this? Well, if he is in fact a town roleblocker and he did in fact block Wooy on day 1 then it seems unlikely that there would be a Mafia roleblocker, doesn't it? The thing is, I don't believe him. I'm glad I managed to (Gre)ninja him because I believe he may have outed himself as anti-town accidentally. Dean's flavour text has been IMMACULATE, there is 0 chance he would randomly capitalise the P in Jigglypuff or get rest and sing mixed up. Urisk has made other questionable plays throughout the course of the game, his repeated asking for protection during day 2 made him my top pick for the Serial Killer we believe(d) to be in this game. On top of that, in games with a doctor (highly likely) and a cop (confirmed!) it is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY likely that there is a Mafia roleblocker, otherwise the strategy of cop claim + doctor protect can break the game wide open as early as day 1.
So if we're killing Hydropimp (which we are), who should the other kill be? Here are my suggestions, in no particular order.
1. Urisk. Reasoning above. I believe he has a higher chance than most of being a serial killer, and a very real possibility of being a roleblocker for the Mafia. His claim of town roleblocker also protects number 2...
2. Corvid. He is too quiet. This also applies to Barry, Lef, and to a lesser extent Aero and Windkeeper, but Corvid is the only one who is actively avoiding playing the game. It's time for everybody mentioned in the previous sentence to talk or be lynched.
3. Invisi. Why is Invisi still alive? With SO MANY killing roles present in the game, then why do we still have 2 of the top 3 "strong town players" still alive? Night 1 the doctor made a good read and protected whoever was targeted, likely me or Atyeo, but it appears that the MVP from the previous game has aroused very little suspicion from either side, and I don't like this.
PS. Pikachu... DETECTIVE PIKACHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cR4ADXBkII o yeah i should make this more obvious
DOCTOR PLEASE PROTECT ME TONIGHT LOL
02/23/2016 11:56:43
Maribro said:
Insane theory time:
There exists a vigilante and a serial killer. The vigilante has stale move negation the serial killer?
Must charge waft. That's my best guess for why there was no kill night one.
But that's just a theory... A smash Mafia game theory
This post was unappreciated, I have no other reason to quote it, I just found it amusing.
JLo said:
The way you worded your post is peculiar: why not outright say that I am Mafia? Why say that I am anti-town? It's simple: because you are lying. Your accusation is very shaky, and calling the fake cop claim is a high risk play as I mentioned earlier. Unfortunately it's not going to work since there's more evidence corroborating my innocence than guilt.
This was actually not addressed to me, instead you were accusing Hydro of fakeclaiming Cop to avoid being lynched. The good news is that you're completely correct, the bad news is that your reasoning is off, the result I got on night one was "town" and the result I got on night 2 is "anti-town". This means that there is a very real possibility that the "anti-town" player Hydro is actually a serial killer, or other third-party role. I believe he is likely Mafia though, and hopefully for the sake of the game a mafia roleblocker (if I get this right then holy shit my reads are on point).
Barrydabusdriver said:
Im sorry I haven't been talking much but I have been keeping up with the thread, I haven't been talking much because at this point I think everyone is abit hazy on whats going on and I honestly am not sure how to contribute because im confused myself. However I would like to point out that after Hydros claim, fake or real, Jlo immediately whent on the offensive shutting down his information with pazx shut down Hydros claim without a second thought saying, "that's a shit claim, i'm out for a couple of hours pls don't lynch anyone" respectively. In my eyes without even investigating the accusation further this comes off as abit suspicious.
Barry, you need to post more.
Urisk said:
Well that's poor timing to come out as a town roleblocker :/
LOL
That's rough, but I wouldn't worry too much, if you're town you won't die tonight anyway, there are bigger targets for the mafia to hit - I'll get to that in a moment.
JLo said:
LOL WTF PAZX and asif you get Cop twice in a row lol
It's pretty crazy I know, maybe Dean believes in second chances? I'm not sure if you actually believe me or not, so here's why you should. Hopefully typing all of this is worth it, as it sets us up on a very strong foundation with which we can close the game out very easily.
All of the evidence points to me being a cop. I breadcrumbed hard on day 1, which is exactly what I did in the previous game, if I was Mafia breadcrumbing like that would be incredibly risky (I'm fairly certain at least one player picked up on it). I've been pro-town the entire game, but marginally less so than in the previous game. I believe it is very possible I was a nightkill target on day 1 and I was saved, and then on day 2 I let other people be the town's driving forces to take the heat off myself (as it's especially important for me to avoid dying). Maribro claims to have protected me on night 2 anyway, which is nice, and furthermore the right choice. Well done dude, I know it's unlikely I was targeted on night 2 and we lost a very strong townie in the process but the alternative (you protect Luke, I get killed) was far worse for the town, and your protection that night could have been the turning point of the game.
I was planning on claiming today (day 3), that's why I've been so much more active and pro-town than yesterday. In fact, the delay last night? That was me. I intentionally waited until this (irl) morning to submit my investigation target to Dean, partially to see how other players would react (the result: poorly) and partially because I just really wanted sleep, and I trusted that if I was the nightkill Dean would advance the game regardless of whether I chose to investigate a player or not. My proof of this is that I was the first (or second? @Cake might have beat me) post this morning less than 5 minutes after Dean unlocked the thread (which in turn was only moments after I requested an investigation into HydroPimp).
I initially wanted everybody to speak before I claimed, so I could gauge some reactions and see if I could spot another obvious mafioso member, or get a fake claim. We managed to draw the fake claim from Hydro, luckily for the Mafia the player who claimed my role just happens to be the player I investigated last night so I haven't actually gained any information from this exchange, except that I now believe Jlo is town with near 100% certainty.
Why did I claim when I did? I was under no pressure, in fact the players under pressure were you (Jlo) and HydroPimp. I'm keeping the pressure on Hydro, and taking it off you, so the two possibilities are that 1. I am Mafia and Jlo is one of my partners, or 2. I am telling the truth. We already had strong town-reads on Jlo thanks to Maribro's tracking, and Jlo himself can confirm that he is not Mafia, meaning that 2 is clearly the more likely option. If I was Mafia, why would I claim now and then continue to pressure Hydro when I could have just let him get lynched today anyway?
The fact that I am the Town Cop is also partially the reason I was so adamant about the doctor staying quiet, the other reason is because that was a legitimately garbage play, Maribro.
Urisk said:
Invisi said:
It would make more sense as like a suicide kill move though, sing works as a roleblock.
I dont make the roles, I just block them :)
This last line was also really funny, but I have a feeling you might have SLIPPED UP HERE URISK.
Next order of business, my suggested plan of action for day 3 and night 3.
Windkeeper0 said:
Invisi said:If he reveals this then they would be an easy target for the mafia in the night, since the doc will be busy watching over Pazx.
Well, Pazx certainly makes a convincing argument. Who's your pro-town result that we can trust?
This is correct, although I am quite confident that there is at least one other obvious target for the Mafia so if I were to reveal their identity they would probably survive. The prime targets for the mafia are gonna be Maribro and Wooy, although there is a very real possibility that only one of them is town. This is why I want them to double up on their nightkill tonight.
Invisi said:
So Pazx - why exactly should we not just lynch Hydro right now?
JLo said:
Yeah I want to hear his reasoning before proceeding with this
The question on everybody's lips!
Urisk's claim casts a little bit of doubt over the following, as this was my plan before he posted.
Today, on day 3, we as a town have to decide upon TWO kills. One is going to be HydroPimp, I'm not sure who the other will be just yet. One is going to be a lynch, the other is going to be a nightkill carried out by either Maribro or Wooy. The reason I want them to target Hydropimp instead of lynching him today is that by having a CONFIRMED mafioso the victim of the vigilante kill it forces the Mafia roleblocker's hand, which is a role I believe to be in this game. Forcing the Mafia roleblocker to choose between Maribro, Wooy and myself means it's likely I'm going to have another successful investigation tonight as they're not going to allow a mafioso to be killed if they can help it. If you believe I am the Town Cop (notice how HydroPimp has shut up entirely now?) then I am confident this play will win us the game.
How does Urisk's claim change this? Well, if he is in fact a town roleblocker and he did in fact block Wooy on day 1 then it seems unlikely that there would be a Mafia roleblocker, doesn't it? The thing is, I don't believe him. I'm glad I managed to (Gre)ninja him because I believe he may have outed himself as anti-town accidentally. Dean's flavour text has been IMMACULATE, there is 0 chance he would randomly capitalise the P in Jigglypuff or get rest and sing mixed up. Urisk has made other questionable plays throughout the course of the game, his repeated asking for protection during day 2 made him my top pick for the Serial Killer we believe(d) to be in this game. On top of that, in games with a doctor (highly likely) and a cop (confirmed!) it is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY likely that there is a Mafia roleblocker, otherwise the strategy of cop claim + doctor protect can break the game wide open as early as day 1.
So if we're killing Hydropimp (which we are), who should the other kill be? Here are my suggestions, in no particular order.
1. Urisk. Reasoning above. I believe he has a higher chance than most of being a serial killer, and a very real possibility of being a roleblocker for the Mafia. His claim of town roleblocker also protects number 2...
2. Corvid. He is too quiet. This also applies to Barry, Lef, and to a lesser extent Aero and Windkeeper, but Corvid is the only one who is actively avoiding playing the game. It's time for everybody mentioned in the previous sentence to talk or be lynched.
3. Invisi. Why is Invisi still alive? With SO MANY killing roles present in the game, then why do we still have 2 of the top 3 "strong town players" still alive? Night 1 the doctor made a good read and protected whoever was targeted, likely me or Atyeo, but it appears that the MVP from the previous game has aroused very little suspicion from either side, and I don't like this.
PS. Pikachu... DETECTIVE PIKACHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cR4ADXBkII o yeah i should make this more obvious
DOCTOR PLEASE PROTECT ME TONIGHT LOL
02/23/2016 11:56:43
I'm playing Smash which is why I've been quiet tonight :D
02/23/2016 12:03:49
02/23/2016 12:03:49
I swore to Dean that I'd kill whoever held up the game last night.
And now… I follow through
Vote: Pazx
02/23/2016 12:09:39
And now… I follow through
Vote: Pazx
02/23/2016 12:09:39
Pazx said:
Urisk said:
Invisi said:
It would make more sense as like a suicide kill move though, sing works as a roleblock.
I dont make the roles, I just block them :)
This last line was also really funny, but I have a feeling you might have SLIPPED UP HERE URISK.
Invisi said:
So Pazx - why exactly should we not just lynch Hydro right now?
JLo said:
Yeah I want to hear his reasoning before proceeding with this
The question on everybody's lips!
Urisk's claim casts a little bit of doubt over the following, as this was my plan before he posted.
Today, on day 3, we as a town have to decide upon TWO kills. One is going to be HydroPimp, I'm not sure who the other will be just yet. One is going to be a lynch, the other is going to be a nightkill carried out by either Maribro or Wooy. The reason I want them to target Hydropimp instead of lynching him today is that by having a CONFIRMED mafioso the victim of the vigilante kill it forces the Mafia roleblocker's hand, which is a role I believe to be in this game. Forcing the Mafia roleblocker to choose between Maribro, Wooy and myself means it's likely I'm going to have another successful investigation tonight as they're not going to allow a mafioso to be killed if they can help it. If you believe I am the Town Cop (notice how HydroPimp has shut up entirely now?) then I am confident this play will win us the game.
How does Urisk's claim change this? Well, if he is in fact a town roleblocker and he did in fact block Wooy on day 1 then it seems unlikely that there would be a Mafia roleblocker, doesn't it? The thing is, I don't believe him. I'm glad I managed to (Gre)ninja him because I believe he may have outed himself as anti-town accidentally. Dean's flavour text has been IMMACULATE, there is 0 chance he would randomly capitalise the P in Jigglypuff or get rest and sing mixed up. Urisk has made other questionable plays throughout the course of the game, his repeated asking for protection during day 2 made him my top pick for the Serial Killer we believe(d) to be in this game.
Dean did indeed not write that flavour text. I was writing at the same time as you were, with the intention of producing a role that no one had claimed. I did some research on the wiki and strung some lines together.
I'm full aware of how risky what I did was but, the intention of this play was two fold. To see if I could bait further power roles out of the town/mafia by claiming corvid was safe from wooy thanks to a "powerblock". We're that to fail and I don't draw out any roles the mafia now have to contend with the metagame knowledge that there's a power blocking role out there which they may help or hinder them, but ultimately I had intentions to get everyone talking more.
The truth is there's a reason I choose to write the description they way I did and it's tied to my actual power role which won't have an effect until a later game trigger.
02/23/2016 12:11:59
Seems reasonable. If you're to be believed, then we know Hydro to be mafia, then lynching someone else gives us extra information to use during the night, and eliminates an unknown variable. Though I'm worried it could completely backfire in ways we haven't thought of.
I could ask the same of you. It seems that the doctor made a correct prediction on the first night, and the mafia turned on a weaker target on night 2 who was less likely to be protected. That's not really much time for the mafia to eliminate priority targets like you and I. For all I know, the doctor may well have protected me on the first night. (It was probably one of us, let's be honest =P).
02/23/2016 12:12:52
Pazx said:
3. Invisi. Why is Invisi still alive? With SO MANY killing roles present in the game, then why do we still have 2 of the top 3 "strong town players" still alive? Night 1 the doctor made a good read and protected whoever was targeted, likely me or Atyeo, but it appears that the MVP from the previous game has aroused very little suspicion from either side, and I don't like this.
I could ask the same of you. It seems that the doctor made a correct prediction on the first night, and the mafia turned on a weaker target on night 2 who was less likely to be protected. That's not really much time for the mafia to eliminate priority targets like you and I. For all I know, the doctor may well have protected me on the first night. (It was probably one of us, let's be honest =P).
02/23/2016 12:12:52
Urisk said:
The truth is there's a reason I choose to write the description they way I did and it's tied to my actual power role which won't have an effect until a later game trigger.
i'll take "lovers" for $200 please :O
02/23/2016 12:13:13
My above post is in reference to Pazx's wall of text
02/23/2016 12:14:22
02/23/2016 12:14:22
@Urisk for clarification you are now claiming a non-specific power role, correct?
02/23/2016 12:14:32
02/23/2016 12:14:32
"which won't have an effect until a later game trigger."
Omfg guys, he's charging a waft.
Erryone get the hell out of here!! "which won't have an effect until a later game trigger."
Omfg guys, he's charging a waft.
Erryone get the hell out of here!!
02/23/2016 12:15:37
Omfg guys, he's charging a waft.
Erryone get the hell out of here!! "which won't have an effect until a later game trigger."
Omfg guys, he's charging a waft.
Erryone get the hell out of here!!
02/23/2016 12:15:37
Pazx said:
Urisk said:
The truth is there's a reason I choose to write the description they way I did and it's tied to my actual power role which won't have an effect until a later game trigger.
i'll take "lovers" for $200 please :O
Pazx said:
@Urisk for clarification you are now claiming a non-specific power role, correct?
It'll be more specific when someone dies
02/23/2016 12:18:01