These mafia kills are really damn smart atm reeee, they're definitely trying to frame me, leads me to believe that either rhyno or ateyo (or both) are Mafia but idk which
Unless we think jeans is capable of it too? But he also defended me somewhat yesterday so idk what to think of that
01/03/2019 10:17:40
Rhyno said:I'm pretty sure at the moment cAKE and Exist are townies at the moment so I've narrowed it more down to Atyeo, BD and Jeans.
how have you narrowed it down, cake is still super suss to me, even more so now that MrL was town. Can you give some actual insight here as to why you have jumped to this conclusion because otherwise I am starting to think that you might be mafia. You have done a lot of talking without much actually being said, you keep jumping from person to person rapidly and you seem to make some weird decisions like this one, or like after cakes awful defense immediately saying you are 100% convinced he is town, that is mega suss.
Killing Aero is a little odd, but seeing as he is pretty good at mafia historically maybe they felt threatened? Killing Rhyno seems like it 'should' be the play here and everyone has been saying that, they could have been afraid of him being saved by the doctor (something which was first pointed out by rhyno himself - that could be important) or maybe he is still alive because he is mafia? The longer he stays alive the more suspicious he gets the way this has been going (and saying the doctor will obviously be healing him is a great way to try and explain away that suspicion). I'm not sure if killing Aero instead of rhyno or me is the mafia doing dumb stuff and making more of a case of them being noob, or if its actually a smart play. I still think everything has pointed to the mafia having no idea what they are doing but I think that killing Aero is not a noob move since he is definitely one of the best players here so now I am not too sure on that avenue.
Posts that point out what the mafia did without adding anything though like this one..
cAKE said:
Why did they kill Aero though? He was hardly pro town. Wouldve been more likely to kill someone like Rhyno
Seems like something someone who is bad at mafia would do, so like I said I am still pretty suss of cake.
And as for BD, aside from him being one of the people who didnt vote day 1, has there been anything else incriminating him? I feel like everyone's just said they think he's mafia without giving much reasoning so if you think he is mafia can we get some insight into reasoning and stuff.
Also just went back and read through the last day again, rhyno keeps subtling pushing his suspicion of MrL and then eventually votes him, being the first one to do so, and kept pushing everyone else to do so. That is suuuuuper suspicious.
Also reading back after I first pointed out how bad cakes defense was and asked why he accepted it so easily, he then said it was basically because its too good of a play for cake to make. I then pointed out that that makes no sense because it was a terrible play and he said
Rhyno said:
It's just the sheer ignorance of not knowing that Glace was already dead seemed very similar to some of his other plays from other games. (Which were all insanely dumb at the time, made him appear mafia then he wasn't)
Also I know it's a bad play, but I feel like if he did it on purpose I just got played insanely hard, if you know what I mean.
So he said it was a great play and then he said he knows its a bad play. I feel like this is a slip up and I've caught rhyno out in a lie. Go back and read over these exchanges please everyone and tell me what you think because I think I have just caught out one of our mafia. And the constant pushing of MrL and getting the vote started and completed on him just cements my suspicion.
Not only that, but we have all been suspicious of cake all game, especially me, and everytime I point out something he has done I feel like rhyno trys to steer things away to defend him, or just straight out attempt to exonerate him, so I think that they are probably mafia working together.
01/03/2019 11:02:21
I didn't quite say it was a great play by the way. I said that if he did it on purpose he earned play of the game because simply I don't think he could do it himself without assistance. (Unlikely by the way, I don't think his partner would tell him to do it)
Basically the play left today is to lynch me or Atyeo.
We are both top players and still left in the game after 3 days. I think killing Atyeo during the night wouldn't have been a bad option, since I was talking so much and was likely taking the protection away from everyone else.
So the main reason I also said I narrowed down the mafia to the people who voted is because I think the people voting right now are pretty likely to have roles of some sort. I know for one I am someone with a power role.
I am the detective. I've currently had the opportunity to search two people at night which gets me a result of townie of scum. The two people I've searched are Aerodrome because of his anti-town play makes me scared. Afterwards I began defending him in day 2 saying he wasn't likely mafia and pressed my efforts elsewhere.
That leads me to my second investigation of Atyeo who came back with the result of scum. I was slightly afraid of investigating him since I thought he may die, but thought I should check just to make sure.
So even though I said to vote lightly I will Vote: Atyeo. As this is today's correct play.
After making this claim I don't have much left to do since I can't actually investigate anyone left and not see them come back as town, so now is the right opportunity to do this.
Also just to defend myself once again, I only voted for MrL to get him to speak initially, but then he wouldn't play the game since his computer is broken and then the time ran out which a bunch of people chimed in to lynch the most voted for player at the time.
01/03/2019 11:20:38
Basically the play left today is to lynch me or Atyeo.
We are both top players and still left in the game after 3 days. I think killing Atyeo during the night wouldn't have been a bad option, since I was talking so much and was likely taking the protection away from everyone else.
So the main reason I also said I narrowed down the mafia to the people who voted is because I think the people voting right now are pretty likely to have roles of some sort. I know for one I am someone with a power role.
I am the detective. I've currently had the opportunity to search two people at night which gets me a result of townie of scum. The two people I've searched are Aerodrome because of his anti-town play makes me scared. Afterwards I began defending him in day 2 saying he wasn't likely mafia and pressed my efforts elsewhere.
That leads me to my second investigation of Atyeo who came back with the result of scum. I was slightly afraid of investigating him since I thought he may die, but thought I should check just to make sure.
So even though I said to vote lightly I will Vote: Atyeo. As this is today's correct play.
After making this claim I don't have much left to do since I can't actually investigate anyone left and not see them come back as town, so now is the right opportunity to do this.
Also just to defend myself once again, I only voted for MrL to get him to speak initially, but then he wouldn't play the game since his computer is broken and then the time ran out which a bunch of people chimed in to lynch the most voted for player at the time.
01/03/2019 11:20:38
Omfg yes I'm so glad the detective actually got info for once <3
Vote: Ateyo
This vote is safe btw as Mafia can't pile up on it unless ateyo himself votes, and if rhyno is lying, it's fine as then he'd be Mafia and they can't pile
I'm not even sure what defense he could have lmao without a bs counterclaim
01/03/2019 12:14:35
Vote: Ateyo
This vote is safe btw as Mafia can't pile up on it unless ateyo himself votes, and if rhyno is lying, it's fine as then he'd be Mafia and they can't pile
I'm not even sure what defense he could have lmao without a bs counterclaim
01/03/2019 12:14:35
Rhyno why'd you have information that you thought atyeo was mafia and not choose reveal it straight away? you already posted twice today and never said you never said you invested him.
Yet as soon as ateyo calls you out for being super suss,you make a retaliation play claiming detective and calling atyeo scum.
I know you're lying because I'm detective.
Night 1 i investigated rhyno, i investigated him as he was the most active player, and i wanted to be sure he was not being a bigbrain mafia leading town.
With him coming back as town, I was defending of him in day 2 which is why I my writeup i was all 'Rhyno- Towner'
But now that he has claimed detective it's pretty clear when I investigated him his 1-shot detective immunity was used and he's mafia Vote:Rhyno
Night 2 I investigated Aero, in my big write up I was pretty unsure on aero and thought he was being under the radar. Where as I was more sure on cAKE so I felt an investigation was not needed. Aero came back as town.
As detective ive been laying low the entire game trying not to be a target of mafia.
01/03/2019 12:58:34
Yet as soon as ateyo calls you out for being super suss,you make a retaliation play claiming detective and calling atyeo scum.
I know you're lying because I'm detective.
Night 1 i investigated rhyno, i investigated him as he was the most active player, and i wanted to be sure he was not being a bigbrain mafia leading town.
With him coming back as town, I was defending of him in day 2 which is why I my writeup i was all 'Rhyno- Towner'
But now that he has claimed detective it's pretty clear when I investigated him his 1-shot detective immunity was used and he's mafia Vote:Rhyno
Night 2 I investigated Aero, in my big write up I was pretty unsure on aero and thought he was being under the radar. Where as I was more sure on cAKE so I felt an investigation was not needed. Aero came back as town.
As detective ive been laying low the entire game trying not to be a target of mafia.
01/03/2019 12:58:34
So to answer your question simply, your very post is the reason I didn't claim straight away. (I really wanted to by the way, but thought it would be best to wait to see if anything interesting would happen)
I wanted to draw out answers from other members and wanted to see what people would actually post first. We now have two mafia members in our grasp because I subtly hinted to who I thought was mafia in my first an initial write-up. (Since I actually knew at least 1 of the 4 people left was mafia)
Like I said, the people who voted are the ones with roles, the most invested in the game. Also as someone who comes out to post very late in every day and is very inactive, your posts seem very much as if someone is telling you how to play and you come out when needed rather than by will. Like for example now, it's oddly convenient with how inactive you've been during the game to come out of no where and post only when needed.
My actions are pretty clearly explained through previous days. I had a 1/10~ chance to hit godfather and Aero was pretty much playing the same way as usual. So I dropped all claims on him for day 2 since the chances were pretty slim. I defended cAKE cause it was in my best interest to keep town members alive to win this game.
Also personally as mafia I'd distance myself from anyone in the game to not look suspicious. Openly defending someone sounds incredibly dumb if you'd want to pair me together with him. Hell you may as well think BD and I are also paired since he sided with my straight away. Also if you were the detective, why didnt you claim straight away?
Invisi messages me when the forum is back up, so I just assumed he did it for everyone.
01/03/2019 14:05:19
I wanted to draw out answers from other members and wanted to see what people would actually post first. We now have two mafia members in our grasp because I subtly hinted to who I thought was mafia in my first an initial write-up. (Since I actually knew at least 1 of the 4 people left was mafia)
Like I said, the people who voted are the ones with roles, the most invested in the game. Also as someone who comes out to post very late in every day and is very inactive, your posts seem very much as if someone is telling you how to play and you come out when needed rather than by will. Like for example now, it's oddly convenient with how inactive you've been during the game to come out of no where and post only when needed.
My actions are pretty clearly explained through previous days. I had a 1/10~ chance to hit godfather and Aero was pretty much playing the same way as usual. So I dropped all claims on him for day 2 since the chances were pretty slim. I defended cAKE cause it was in my best interest to keep town members alive to win this game.
Also personally as mafia I'd distance myself from anyone in the game to not look suspicious. Openly defending someone sounds incredibly dumb if you'd want to pair me together with him. Hell you may as well think BD and I are also paired since he sided with my straight away. Also if you were the detective, why didnt you claim straight away?
Invisi messages me when the forum is back up, so I just assumed he did it for everyone.
01/03/2019 14:05:19
Ah I suppose it is that time of the game aye, get your Mafia friendo to do the bs counter-claim instead? I suppose it was your only play lmao
So you saw Rhyno was town night 1, and to convince everyone else you said a single word aye? Couldn't even make some bs reason/hints? Yeah nah don't think so buddy
You even said you investigated Aero on night 2 also, with the same reason as Rhyno? Cmon you could've made it more believable lel
@cake and @exist please don't believe these scum lool
01/03/2019 15:17:59
So you saw Rhyno was town night 1, and to convince everyone else you said a single word aye? Couldn't even make some bs reason/hints? Yeah nah don't think so buddy
You even said you investigated Aero on night 2 also, with the same reason as Rhyno? Cmon you could've made it more believable lel
@cake and @exist please don't believe these scum lool
01/03/2019 15:17:59
Wow this took a turn. Im at work all day but When I get home tonight I believe I can prove rhyno is lying
01/03/2019 23:28:43
01/03/2019 23:28:43
But I'm not lying so there is really not a lot to prove.
So anyways, I couldn't post much more last night since I had to go to bed and had a job interview today, so here are some of my thoughts.
I'm curious as to why Jeans would not have investigated Atyeo, there's literally a post a few pages back where Atyeo nitpicks everything Jeans did, seems like a ploy to separate the two by having a discussion like this. Also when I mentioned Jeans was Hydropimp specifically, Atyeo showed distaste with this and the reaction almost seemed telegraphed.
Both Atyeo and Jeans have been pretty much constantly on the lynch cAKE train, the only reason they didn't succeed was because me and BD believed his story since it was similar to his past games. (so they stopped pushing for it since I guess they already knew I was pushing information out of a more inactive townie which could be easily lynched).
Another thing is that if I were a mafia godfather I sure as hell wouldn't claim something myself, I'd much rather do a regular defense since we already know all the roles in the game and know both mafia are still alive, as well as investigations would just show a town result. This would allow me to go under the radar and I'd definitely just play a more passive role and let town fight among themselves since I'd feel safer, similar to how Hydropimp is playing. Simply I preferred to play more aggressive, since honestly it's much more fun and is able to generate me better information on who to investigate if I were to live each night.
Chances are typically pretty low to hit mafia, especially with one of them being a godfather, but since Atyeo and I were both alive I investigated him since I would like to think I'm taking the doctors protection since I have been the most active member, this would leave Atyeo as a perfectly good night kill target in the process, basically worst case scenario I would get a pro-town result (which might have meant he was godfather if he were still alive) or he died during the night and popped up as town.
Also Atyeo keeps playing off the mafia kills as bad mafia play, which it isn't really the people who died are unlikely to have been protected. As a mafia member you want to try and kill people who are not likely to be protected. (Since we still know that the medic is alive)
Do you guys think that the doctor would protect me or Atyeo?
01/04/2019 02:17:05
So anyways, I couldn't post much more last night since I had to go to bed and had a job interview today, so here are some of my thoughts.
I'm curious as to why Jeans would not have investigated Atyeo, there's literally a post a few pages back where Atyeo nitpicks everything Jeans did, seems like a ploy to separate the two by having a discussion like this. Also when I mentioned Jeans was Hydropimp specifically, Atyeo showed distaste with this and the reaction almost seemed telegraphed.
Both Atyeo and Jeans have been pretty much constantly on the lynch cAKE train, the only reason they didn't succeed was because me and BD believed his story since it was similar to his past games. (so they stopped pushing for it since I guess they already knew I was pushing information out of a more inactive townie which could be easily lynched).
Another thing is that if I were a mafia godfather I sure as hell wouldn't claim something myself, I'd much rather do a regular defense since we already know all the roles in the game and know both mafia are still alive, as well as investigations would just show a town result. This would allow me to go under the radar and I'd definitely just play a more passive role and let town fight among themselves since I'd feel safer, similar to how Hydropimp is playing. Simply I preferred to play more aggressive, since honestly it's much more fun and is able to generate me better information on who to investigate if I were to live each night.
Chances are typically pretty low to hit mafia, especially with one of them being a godfather, but since Atyeo and I were both alive I investigated him since I would like to think I'm taking the doctors protection since I have been the most active member, this would leave Atyeo as a perfectly good night kill target in the process, basically worst case scenario I would get a pro-town result (which might have meant he was godfather if he were still alive) or he died during the night and popped up as town.
Also Atyeo keeps playing off the mafia kills as bad mafia play, which it isn't really the people who died are unlikely to have been protected. As a mafia member you want to try and kill people who are not likely to be protected. (Since we still know that the medic is alive)
Do you guys think that the doctor would protect me or Atyeo?
01/04/2019 02:17:05
Rhyno said:
Also if you were the detective, why didnt you claim straight away?
I didnt claim straight away because I didnt have information someone was scum??? it would be dumb to just claim detective with only information 2 people were town 1 of which who is dead.
01/04/2019 04:27:14
Well we are in LYLO, so some information would be helpful.
Basically you're telling me that you were going to use this power and not say anything, you may as well have been vanilla townie. So nah, you're mafia and literally only counter-claiming me cause you were told to do so.
I was actually expecting Atyeo to counter-claim me initially, but that wouldn't make sense since I already made the correct prediction in my first post saying that one of Atyeo, BD or JEANS was mafia, making it that you would lose a slow defeat.
The only reason you've made a claim at all as godfather is because you really had to, not because you wanted to.
That the mafia lies within this*
01/04/2019 06:08:09
Basically you're telling me that you were going to use this power and not say anything, you may as well have been vanilla townie. So nah, you're mafia and literally only counter-claiming me cause you were told to do so.
I was actually expecting Atyeo to counter-claim me initially, but that wouldn't make sense since I already made the correct prediction in my first post saying that one of Atyeo, BD or JEANS was mafia, making it that you would lose a slow defeat.
The only reason you've made a claim at all as godfather is because you really had to, not because you wanted to.
Rhyno said:
that one of Atyeo, BD or JEANS was mafia, making it that you would lose a slow defeat.
That the mafia lies within this*
01/04/2019 06:08:09
Alright guys, we are now at a point where you have to look through rhyno's argument, look through mine, and then decide who is lying and who is telling the truth. In a case like this I have no definitive proof, its just his word against mine, so I am gonna phoenix wright this shit. If he is lying, there will be holes in what he says, he'll say stuff and claim reasons that dont match up with what actually happened or was said earlier in the game. Or just make up reasons to explain things that happened that dont hold up to scrutiny. So I'm just gonna point out as many of these holes I can to show that he is just making this all up.
Firstly I want to point out that a mafia claiming they are detective on a day where they can win if they get people to believe them is actually a pretty smart play, and if you'd already been leading the town the whole game already then I can see how you'd be confident that you could pull this off. Claiming the role first means that it'll put the real detective in a spot where they have to counter claim but also the counter claim will make them look suspicious, rhyno basically stole the initiative here in a clever play and it worked like a charm because jeans very act of counter claiming make bd instantly suspicious of him simply because it was the 2nd claim and not the first.
As you can see, the very fact that he claimed it first (without any actual proof) instantly set bd's mind on me.
So yeah, clever play I will give that up.
nah man
I feel like you are going back and twisting your own words to cover your track. If you are saying that you dont think he is good enough to make that play and that its potentially play of the game, how is that anything other than saying his play was great? Isn't that the whole point of a play of the game?
For the mafia killing aero is just as good as killing me, so this argument doesn't really hold water either.
This is just a guess, claiming you know it for certain is silly there is literally no way you could know this beyond guessing.
during the first day you defending his anti-town behavior saying that its nothing to worry about and that you'd rather not vote for him. You also defending it by saying he does it day 1 all the time and it's just him dicking around. You go out of your way to explain you know how he plays and doing this doesn't mean he is mafia, so I dont believe this reasoning. There were other players who were being more anti-town who logically you should have been more suspicious of and investigated than aero. Doesn't hold up
you did defend him at first but you did it for different reasons, you said it was because of glace's list (and you defended me at the same time, you cant investigate 2 people come on) but then after we'd moved on to more suspicious people you said this
This is not defending him this is going back and dragging him back out into the spotlight after its moved on from him since there were other people doing suspicious stuff, and you brought up that you are suspicious of him. Its these kinds of things that prove you are lying, saying you defended someone when you actually cast suspicion back on them, there will always be holes like this when you arent telling the truth.
if you were town time was running out fast, why would you 'waste' a search on someone if you were pretty sure they were going to die since you only had 1 more search if things kept going the way they were so you didnt have time to use it on someone you suspected would die. Again there were plenty of other people who were being suspicious, I would have been pretty low of a list of people to investigate, people were pegging me as town and for good reason.
No the right opportunity if you were telling the truth would have been right away at the start day 1. Better to get it right out straight away, why risk letting the mafia try and jump on a detective claim first which as I already described is a good valid play in this situation, so no that makes no sense the right opportunity had passed, instead the time you actually did it was after I targeted you as mafia with a pretty good argument, I can see why you would have felt the need for a strong defense against that (especially because thats what you then did)
This seems like a cop out, you literally defended cake under the argument that even if a town is useless and detrimental at least you know they are a town so its stupid to waste a vote on them. So voting MrL not because you suspect him of being mafia but just because he is being useless and detrimental directly contradicts that. Also the only reason he was most voted player was because you had been pushing him as the main suspect over and over that whole day, the running out of time thing just gave you a convenient excuse to hurry people and push the play under the confusion of the time out but then claim thats why you did it.
this is like how astrology works, you just make a vague prediction and see what happens, theres no hint here. saying you actually knew 1 of the 4 people left were mafia means nothing, we all knew that, thats how the game works.
If you wanted to draw out answers from other people, you would have pushed them into the spotlight by sharing what you discovered in the night right away with your role claim and mafia detection, and then when they made their false defense under pressure you could have picked apart all the holes in it which would give them away (much like I am currently doing).
This is just a guess, you have no way of knowing that, thats just silly.
You could say that about a number of people this game, it proves nothing.
If he were a detective trying to lay low until he gets a successful investigation, then it makes sense he'd play like that.
No, they arent, you just jump from idea to idea with little justification and a lot of guessing. You change your arguments and suspicions constantly under the guide of 'wanting to get people to talk' and then when you do explain what you did previously your explanations are full of holes.
Yes, it is in your best interest to keep town members alive but this is a dud defense. You would have no way of knowing that unless you were a mafia. Everyone was suspicious of him because he was doing suspicious stuff. Just coming out of nowhere to say he is town makes no sense unless..
This also doesn't hold up, if you were distancing yourself from everyone it would be very obvious you are a mafia, you should play like a town often to blend in. But then the fact is despite what you just said above, you did openly defend him on a very weak reason and no real good evidence, all you have to do is keep yourself and him alive for this last day and you win so jumping in with him at the point that you have is perfectly 'safe' as a mafia player. The town cant put 2 and 2 together later in the game because there will be no later in the game if your plan works.
its entirely possible at this point that you are paired, I am very suspicious of cake but I dont know for sure he is mafia, I do know for sure you are mafia and so if bd is the other mafia what you are saying here is a good bluff to try throw me off the scent but it doesn't prove that you arent mafia. (Could be the classic tell the truth when they think you are gonna lie to throw them off play)
it wasn't all nitpicking and I did it because he said some stuff I thought was wrong, thats how the game works you post your suspicious and others evaluate your thoughts from other angles to help you see if they are good points or not. Thats just playing the game, I pointed out what I agreed with and what I didn't agree with. Aside from that what other reason would he have had to investigate me over aero, if you go back and read over the thread I feel like aero would and should have been higher on everyone threat radar than me. I was being more useful to the team.
haha go back and look over the other threads and you'll see how much I actually dont like him. Really if your argument is me showing distaste over people you really dont know me at all. But I think that you do know me, everybody who knows me knows what I'm like so I think this is you just feinting and trying to make my normal reaction look suspicious.
Not just us, you were as well for parts of the game, and so were other players because he was not making a very good case for himself. The only reason it didn't succeed was actually because you managed to pull everyone's votes onto MrL instead of cake. (as well as just suddenly decide after a bad defense that cake was 100% town)
I already discussed at the start why it was a good move, so this argument doesn't hold water either. It also had to come from you because you were the one being put on trial and this was your way of turning the situation around, and because you were the one leading the town so it had its best chance coming from you.
This is also stupid, you are saying that if you were mafia you'd play like a stereotypical mafia? that would just make it easier to pick you as a mafia. You played aggressive thinking that a mafia wouldn't play aggressive only a townie would, but the best way to play mafia is to play like you are a townie and do things townies should do (and you have played enough to know that). So this doesn't really work logically either.
all the more reason to not waste actions,
You already gave your reason 'why' you investigated me and I already refuted it, there is no good reason to search me over more suspicious people especially if you think I am gonna die.
So again you are saying that you thought it was pretty likely I was going to die, again at the rate the game has been going the mafia had a good chance of winning the next day so there is no way you would 'waste' a precious vote on someone you were pretty sure was going to die. Aside from that if you thought it was pretty likely I was going to die then use the vote elsewhere and let me living or dieing determine whether I was suspicious or not and suss out someone more likely to live and be mafia. You are shooting yourself in the foot with these arguments.
There were a few pieces to fit the bad mafia play scenario so I dont think guessing it was that suspicious, especially since I wasn't even the one who came up with that idea several others brought it up before me, and the way you were playing it was leading me right to that idea so that was me being outplayed rather than me proving I am mafia.
And that is exactly what you did in hindsight. Remember the one putting out good reasons (and the idea itself) for the doctor to protect you, was you. You drew the doctor power onto yourself so that you could be pretty sure that the players you went after wouldn't be protected.
The way the game was going? You. But also whats the point of this question? What does that prove? If anything its just further evidence of what I said just above.
No thats not what he said at all, there is 0 point to claiming he is detective until he gets a hit on mafia. You could argue that seeing as today was most likely the last day now is when he should have spoken up, but you claimed it before he even posted anything so he didn't even have the chance to, because of you. You limit his options but then blame him, thats a mafia mastermind move.
What? So you are saying that since you just vaguely listed 3 people (with no evidence) and then a few posts later when put on the spot you invent that one of them is mafia, that you can then claim you 'successfully' predicted the mafia? Not only is that a silly conclusion to jump to, it also makes no sense. How would this be enough proof (especially since it was no proof at all) to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss? (just further signs that point to your plan to claim first to try and frame the real detective so that nobody will listen to them)
huh? The reason he made the claim that you were godfather was because you came up town and so he thought you were town and only realized you were godfather when you then lied and claimed the role he was. Thats how he knew you were godfather and thats why he then said it. Its got nothing to do with wanting or having to, this seems like you just trying to frame him.
So, there's all that. Plus again lets not forget he has been leading the town which is something good mafia players try to do because when it works it works crazy good. He was the one who got MrL killed, and I think he killed glace because he was onto him, or at least specifically he was onto the way he wanted to play the game. read it again everyone.
Rhyno was leading town, making himself look super town (which was working very well) and the only player who tried to point that out and that we should be wary of it, was silenced very early. Silencing glace also lead us on that wild goose chase he was talking about.
Looking back at all this, I am not real sure on cake now. I thought my reasons for suspecting him were solid, but I am only really sure on rhyno for obvious reasons. The way bd immediately jumped onto his made up scenario is a little suspicious but I honestly think its just the fact that rhyno claimed first because he knew that would happen which is what caused such an immediate reaction from BD.
So yeah, lots of stuff there that doesn't match up or make sense, lots to be suspicious of (much more than me), killed MrL and glace, and pulled a big brain get the drop on the claim play (but once again only pulled the claim after he was targeted and tried to move suspicion onto the person who targeted him rather than when you would logically have made a claim if you were detective), claimed he defended aero when he didn't and claimed he investigated someone he was sure was going to die anyway. If I haven't made a good enough case against him here then fuck me I dont know what else to tell you. Vote wisely
Vote:Rhyno
01/04/2019 14:32:43
Firstly I want to point out that a mafia claiming they are detective on a day where they can win if they get people to believe them is actually a pretty smart play, and if you'd already been leading the town the whole game already then I can see how you'd be confident that you could pull this off. Claiming the role first means that it'll put the real detective in a spot where they have to counter claim but also the counter claim will make them look suspicious, rhyno basically stole the initiative here in a clever play and it worked like a charm because jeans very act of counter claiming make bd instantly suspicious of him simply because it was the 2nd claim and not the first.
As you can see, the very fact that he claimed it first (without any actual proof) instantly set bd's mind on me.
BattleDolphin said:
Omfg yes I'm so glad the detective actually got info for once <3
Vote: Ateyo
I'm not even sure what defense he could have lmao without a bs counterclaim
So yeah, clever play I will give that up.
Rhyno said:
I didn't quite say it was a great play by the way. I said that if he did it on purpose he earned play of the game because simply I don't think he could do it himself without assistance. (Unlikely by the way, I don't think his partner would tell him to do it)
nah man
Rhyno said:The reason his defense makes me believe he's town is because I don't think he's good enough to make that kind of play.
So like I said, if he isn't town and actually did it on purpose I'd be pretty shocked and cAKE just earn't a play of the game as mafia.
I feel like you are going back and twisting your own words to cover your track. If you are saying that you dont think he is good enough to make that play and that its potentially play of the game, how is that anything other than saying his play was great? Isn't that the whole point of a play of the game?
Rhyno said: We are both top players and still left in the game after 3 days. I think killing Atyeo during the night wouldn't have been a bad option, since I was talking so much and was likely taking the protection away from everyone else.
For the mafia killing aero is just as good as killing me, so this argument doesn't really hold water either.
Rhyno said:
So the main reason I also said I narrowed down the mafia to the people who voted is because I think the people voting right now are pretty likely to have roles of some sort.
This is just a guess, claiming you know it for certain is silly there is literally no way you could know this beyond guessing.
Rhyno said: I am the detective. I've currently had the opportunity to search two people at night which gets me a result of townie of scum. The two people I've searched are Aerodrome because of his anti-town play makes me scared.
during the first day you defending his anti-town behavior saying that its nothing to worry about and that you'd rather not vote for him. You also defending it by saying he does it day 1 all the time and it's just him dicking around. You go out of your way to explain you know how he plays and doing this doesn't mean he is mafia, so I dont believe this reasoning. There were other players who were being more anti-town who logically you should have been more suspicious of and investigated than aero. Doesn't hold up
Rhyno said: Afterwards I began defending him in day 2 saying he wasn't likely mafia and pressed my efforts elsewhere.
you did defend him at first but you did it for different reasons, you said it was because of glace's list (and you defended me at the same time, you cant investigate 2 people come on) but then after we'd moved on to more suspicious people you said this
Rhyno said:I'm on the fence about Aero at the moment.
This is not defending him this is going back and dragging him back out into the spotlight after its moved on from him since there were other people doing suspicious stuff, and you brought up that you are suspicious of him. Its these kinds of things that prove you are lying, saying you defended someone when you actually cast suspicion back on them, there will always be holes like this when you arent telling the truth.
Rhyno said: That leads me to my second investigation of Atyeo who came back with the result of scum. I was slightly afraid of investigating him since I thought he may die, but thought I should check just to make sure.
if you were town time was running out fast, why would you 'waste' a search on someone if you were pretty sure they were going to die since you only had 1 more search if things kept going the way they were so you didnt have time to use it on someone you suspected would die. Again there were plenty of other people who were being suspicious, I would have been pretty low of a list of people to investigate, people were pegging me as town and for good reason.
Rhyno said:so now is the right opportunity to do this.
No the right opportunity if you were telling the truth would have been right away at the start day 1. Better to get it right out straight away, why risk letting the mafia try and jump on a detective claim first which as I already described is a good valid play in this situation, so no that makes no sense the right opportunity had passed, instead the time you actually did it was after I targeted you as mafia with a pretty good argument, I can see why you would have felt the need for a strong defense against that (especially because thats what you then did)
Rhyno said: Also just to defend myself once again, I only voted for MrL to get him to speak initially, but then he wouldn't play the game since his computer is broken and then the time ran out which a bunch of people chimed in to lynch the most voted for player at the time.
This seems like a cop out, you literally defended cake under the argument that even if a town is useless and detrimental at least you know they are a town so its stupid to waste a vote on them. So voting MrL not because you suspect him of being mafia but just because he is being useless and detrimental directly contradicts that. Also the only reason he was most voted player was because you had been pushing him as the main suspect over and over that whole day, the running out of time thing just gave you a convenient excuse to hurry people and push the play under the confusion of the time out but then claim thats why you did it.
Rhyno said:
So to answer your question simply, your very post is the reason I didn't claim straight away. (I really wanted to by the way, but thought it would be best to wait to see if anything interesting would happen)
I wanted to draw out answers from other members and wanted to see what people would actually post first. We now have two mafia members in our grasp because I subtly hinted to who I thought was mafia in my first an initial write-up. (Since I actually knew at least 1 of the 4 people left was mafia)
this is like how astrology works, you just make a vague prediction and see what happens, theres no hint here. saying you actually knew 1 of the 4 people left were mafia means nothing, we all knew that, thats how the game works.
If you wanted to draw out answers from other people, you would have pushed them into the spotlight by sharing what you discovered in the night right away with your role claim and mafia detection, and then when they made their false defense under pressure you could have picked apart all the holes in it which would give them away (much like I am currently doing).
Rhyno said:
Like I said, the people who voted are the ones with roles, the most invested in
the game.
This is just a guess, you have no way of knowing that, thats just silly.
Rhyno said:
Also as someone who comes out to post very late in every day and is very inactive, your posts seem very much as if someone is telling you how to play and you come out when needed rather than by will.
You could say that about a number of people this game, it proves nothing.
Rhyno said:
Like for example now, it's oddly convenient with how inactive you've been during the game to come out of no where and post only when needed.
If he were a detective trying to lay low until he gets a successful investigation, then it makes sense he'd play like that.
Rhyno said:
My actions are pretty clearly explained through previous days.
No, they arent, you just jump from idea to idea with little justification and a lot of guessing. You change your arguments and suspicions constantly under the guide of 'wanting to get people to talk' and then when you do explain what you did previously your explanations are full of holes.
Rhyno said:I defended cAKE cause it was in my best interest to keep town members alive to win this game.
Yes, it is in your best interest to keep town members alive but this is a dud defense. You would have no way of knowing that unless you were a mafia. Everyone was suspicious of him because he was doing suspicious stuff. Just coming out of nowhere to say he is town makes no sense unless..
Rhyno said:Also personally as mafia I'd distance myself from anyone in the game to not look suspicious. Openly defending someone sounds incredibly dumb if you'd want to pair me together with him.
This also doesn't hold up, if you were distancing yourself from everyone it would be very obvious you are a mafia, you should play like a town often to blend in. But then the fact is despite what you just said above, you did openly defend him on a very weak reason and no real good evidence, all you have to do is keep yourself and him alive for this last day and you win so jumping in with him at the point that you have is perfectly 'safe' as a mafia player. The town cant put 2 and 2 together later in the game because there will be no later in the game if your plan works.
Rhyno said:Hell you may as well think BD and I are also paired since he sided with my straight away.
its entirely possible at this point that you are paired, I am very suspicious of cake but I dont know for sure he is mafia, I do know for sure you are mafia and so if bd is the other mafia what you are saying here is a good bluff to try throw me off the scent but it doesn't prove that you arent mafia. (Could be the classic tell the truth when they think you are gonna lie to throw them off play)
Rhyno said:I'm curious as to why Jeans would not have investigated Atyeo, there's literally a post a few pages back where Atyeo nitpicks everything Jeans did, seems like a ploy to separate the two by having a discussion like this.
it wasn't all nitpicking and I did it because he said some stuff I thought was wrong, thats how the game works you post your suspicious and others evaluate your thoughts from other angles to help you see if they are good points or not. Thats just playing the game, I pointed out what I agreed with and what I didn't agree with. Aside from that what other reason would he have had to investigate me over aero, if you go back and read over the thread I feel like aero would and should have been higher on everyone threat radar than me. I was being more useful to the team.
Rhyno said:
Also when I mentioned Jeans was Hydropimp specifically, Atyeo showed distaste with this and the reaction almost seemed telegraphed.
haha go back and look over the other threads and you'll see how much I actually dont like him. Really if your argument is me showing distaste over people you really dont know me at all. But I think that you do know me, everybody who knows me knows what I'm like so I think this is you just feinting and trying to make my normal reaction look suspicious.
Rhyno said: Both Atyeo and Jeans have been pretty much constantly on the lynch cAKE train, the only reason they didn't succeed was because me and BD believed his story since it was similar to his past games.
Not just us, you were as well for parts of the game, and so were other players because he was not making a very good case for himself. The only reason it didn't succeed was actually because you managed to pull everyone's votes onto MrL instead of cake. (as well as just suddenly decide after a bad defense that cake was 100% town)
Rhyno said:Another thing is that if I were a mafia godfather I sure as hell wouldn't claim something myself, I'd much rather do a regular defense since we already know all the roles in the game and know both mafia are still alive, as well as investigations would just show a town result.
I already discussed at the start why it was a good move, so this argument doesn't hold water either. It also had to come from you because you were the one being put on trial and this was your way of turning the situation around, and because you were the one leading the town so it had its best chance coming from you.
Rhyno said:This would allow me to go under the radar and I'd definitely just play a more passive role and let town fight among themselves since I'd feel safer, similar to how Hydropimp is playing. Simply I preferred to play more aggressive, since honestly it's much more fun and is able to generate me better information on who to investigate if I were to live each night.
This is also stupid, you are saying that if you were mafia you'd play like a stereotypical mafia? that would just make it easier to pick you as a mafia. You played aggressive thinking that a mafia wouldn't play aggressive only a townie would, but the best way to play mafia is to play like you are a townie and do things townies should do (and you have played enough to know that). So this doesn't really work logically either.
Rhyno said:Chances are typically pretty low to hit mafia
all the more reason to not waste actions,
Rhyno said:especially with one of them being a godfather, but since Atyeo and I were both alive I investigated him since I would like to think I'm taking the doctors protection since I have been the most active member.
You already gave your reason 'why' you investigated me and I already refuted it, there is no good reason to search me over more suspicious people especially if you think I am gonna die.
Rhyno said:this would leave Atyeo as a perfectly good night kill target in the process, basically worst case scenario I would get a pro-town result (which might have meant he was godfather if he were still alive) or he died during the night and popped up as town.
So again you are saying that you thought it was pretty likely I was going to die, again at the rate the game has been going the mafia had a good chance of winning the next day so there is no way you would 'waste' a precious vote on someone you were pretty sure was going to die. Aside from that if you thought it was pretty likely I was going to die then use the vote elsewhere and let me living or dieing determine whether I was suspicious or not and suss out someone more likely to live and be mafia. You are shooting yourself in the foot with these arguments.
Rhyno said:Also Atyeo keeps playing off the mafia kills as bad mafia play, which it isn't really the people who died are unlikely to have been protected.
There were a few pieces to fit the bad mafia play scenario so I dont think guessing it was that suspicious, especially since I wasn't even the one who came up with that idea several others brought it up before me, and the way you were playing it was leading me right to that idea so that was me being outplayed rather than me proving I am mafia.
Rhyno said:As a mafia member you want to try and kill people who are not likely to be protected. (Since we still know that the medic is alive)
And that is exactly what you did in hindsight. Remember the one putting out good reasons (and the idea itself) for the doctor to protect you, was you. You drew the doctor power onto yourself so that you could be pretty sure that the players you went after wouldn't be protected.
Rhyno said:Do you guys think that the doctor would protect me or Atyeo?
The way the game was going? You. But also whats the point of this question? What does that prove? If anything its just further evidence of what I said just above.
Rhyno said:
Basically you're telling me that you were going to use this power and not say anything,
No thats not what he said at all, there is 0 point to claiming he is detective until he gets a hit on mafia. You could argue that seeing as today was most likely the last day now is when he should have spoken up, but you claimed it before he even posted anything so he didn't even have the chance to, because of you. You limit his options but then blame him, thats a mafia mastermind move.
Rhyno said:I was actually expecting Atyeo to counter-claim me initially, but that wouldn't make sense since I already made the correct prediction in my first post saying that one of Atyeo, BD or JEANS was mafia, making it that you would lose a slow defeat.
What? So you are saying that since you just vaguely listed 3 people (with no evidence) and then a few posts later when put on the spot you invent that one of them is mafia, that you can then claim you 'successfully' predicted the mafia? Not only is that a silly conclusion to jump to, it also makes no sense. How would this be enough proof (especially since it was no proof at all) to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss? (just further signs that point to your plan to claim first to try and frame the real detective so that nobody will listen to them)
Rhyno said:The only reason you've made a claim at all as godfather is because you really had to, not because you wanted to.
huh? The reason he made the claim that you were godfather was because you came up town and so he thought you were town and only realized you were godfather when you then lied and claimed the role he was. Thats how he knew you were godfather and thats why he then said it. Its got nothing to do with wanting or having to, this seems like you just trying to frame him.
So, there's all that. Plus again lets not forget he has been leading the town which is something good mafia players try to do because when it works it works crazy good. He was the one who got MrL killed, and I think he killed glace because he was onto him, or at least specifically he was onto the way he wanted to play the game. read it again everyone.
Glace said:Rhyno: The loudest player in the game atm, and as such is the player we've got to be the most weary of. Last thing we need is mafia leading all of town on a goose chase.
On that note, he's mostly been trying to get conversation started, which keeps getting sidetracked by people being all 'lmao just lynch me, you won't', so I can understand why he keeps throwing votes around like that. Although I'd like to note that he called me and Aero out for bandwagoning on his votes, however I think it's pretty clear that Aero was memeing at the start of the day with his vote. My vote on Aero I can understand being a little skeptical of, but I did give differing reasoning for my vote than him, as opposed to just blindly bandwagoning. It's probably just seeing the votes and not the reasoning behind it that gave him that opinion, but it's still worth noting (again, most vocal player = gotta be analyzed that much harder).
Rhyno was leading town, making himself look super town (which was working very well) and the only player who tried to point that out and that we should be wary of it, was silenced very early. Silencing glace also lead us on that wild goose chase he was talking about.
Looking back at all this, I am not real sure on cake now. I thought my reasons for suspecting him were solid, but I am only really sure on rhyno for obvious reasons. The way bd immediately jumped onto his made up scenario is a little suspicious but I honestly think its just the fact that rhyno claimed first because he knew that would happen which is what caused such an immediate reaction from BD.
So yeah, lots of stuff there that doesn't match up or make sense, lots to be suspicious of (much more than me), killed MrL and glace, and pulled a big brain get the drop on the claim play (but once again only pulled the claim after he was targeted and tried to move suspicion onto the person who targeted him rather than when you would logically have made a claim if you were detective), claimed he defended aero when he didn't and claimed he investigated someone he was sure was going to die anyway. If I haven't made a good enough case against him here then fuck me I dont know what else to tell you. Vote wisely
Vote:Rhyno
01/04/2019 14:32:43
I'm interested to see what BD has to say about Atyeo's deconstruction of Rhyno's defence.
Here BD is trying to leverage cAKE's and my vote as they are necessary to decide who wins the game. The fact that he is calling on us right now after putting Atyeo two votes away from being lynched is highly suspicious. To me, it says that he is highly confident that his play will win him the game. This either means he is a mafia member and as such, was trying to draw out the two votes that he needs to lynch Atyeo before he could make a defence (I may be bad at the game but that's just insulting), or that he is town who has a solid reason to lay his trust in Rhyno. Unless BD is claiming detective (suicidal at this point), he must have a good reason to lay his faith in Rhyno, that's what I want to hear.
@BattleDolphin, you're up.
01/05/2019 01:04:11
BattleDolphin said:
@cake and @exist please don't believe these scum lool
Here BD is trying to leverage cAKE's and my vote as they are necessary to decide who wins the game. The fact that he is calling on us right now after putting Atyeo two votes away from being lynched is highly suspicious. To me, it says that he is highly confident that his play will win him the game. This either means he is a mafia member and as such, was trying to draw out the two votes that he needs to lynch Atyeo before he could make a defence (I may be bad at the game but that's just insulting), or that he is town who has a solid reason to lay his trust in Rhyno. Unless BD is claiming detective (suicidal at this point), he must have a good reason to lay his faith in Rhyno, that's what I want to hear.
@BattleDolphin, you're up.
01/05/2019 01:04:11
So before the other 2 town members decide to vote I'd like to take it upon myself to at least defend myself once again.
At the moment I've taken it upon myself to provide definitive evidence that Atyeo is at the very least one of the mafia members. (Jeans looks likely too since he jumped in for his defense). The real reason I claimed first is because I literally waited 2 days for everyone to post. Everyone except Jeans had posted by this point and I already had myself under pressure from Atyeo making a bunch of claims about me. So since I felt enough was already discussed today and that I am the real detective I decided to share my findings with town.
Like for example, what makes you think so confidently that Jeans is the real detective? Simply because he doesn't have you on his mafia list? Well since you are still alive and I'm still alive, one of us should be mafia in this instance.
And since we both agree that the doctor is likely to protect me you would have been the perfect night lynch, Aero had been constantly agreeing with me days prior, so as mafia there is absolutely no reason to choose him over you, except for if I actually wasn't mafia and that the mafia had no other choice but to take the safe lynch.
Personally I'm not sure why BD sided with me so quickly, it may be because first information is good information. However it clearly defines 2 potential groups of mafia to town and then they need to make an informed decision on evidence given. (Don't get me wrong I'm glad that I'm not alone for once in this type of defense, but yeah it definitely shows more options for town to lynch and needing to make a decision).
So I said that cAKE's play if he was mafia was brilliant (since he would have done it on purpose at this point), I think you keep going back and twisting my words. Since I highly doubt cAKE is even mafia at all at this point then the play was just a simple slip up and shows that he wasn't invested into the game at the time of posting.
As someone who has seen cAKE play quite regularly and play with him a few times, its pretty clear to see this is a common occurrence of mistake for cAKE and similar things have happened in the past, so to finally do this on purpose in the reverse end if he were mafia would be something amazing, tbh.
In general for mafia play, killing Aero would not be as good as killing Atyeo, why is that? Simply Aero plays anti-town for the fun of it, so getting to lynch him on later days is much simpler then trying to get someone like Atyeo lynched I'm not saying Aero's a bad player or anything (he's really smart about his decisions) but the only reason Atyeo should ever be lynched is if a detective finds something in him usually. So yes the Atyeo should die at night argument should hold water and if you don't think so you are highly underselling yourself.
Narrowing power roles and such to the more active players in the voting process is a highly likely scenario that occurs in every game. The vanilla game I created with Dean had all the power roles being incredibly involved with the game and the others just going MIA and not doing a whole lot. So yes it was a guess, but it's an educated guess and show's promise since me and Jeans are clearly a detective and mafia member.
So as far as I'm concerned, if the top players aren't my friends, I need to know. It's pretty likely that one of the top players should be mafia in the late game, so knowing early on is pretty important. Also in day 1, I don't think there was a single person who was more worthy of an investigation as Aero since we literally ran out of time and had to mercy lynch for the sake of town and at this point he was the only one showing suss behavior.
The main reason I defended you Atyeo because at the time I thought you could potentially be town, you were doing your typical analysis stuff, but at the same time I felt as if you weren't giving much basis and were kind of splashing about. (This was even said in Jeans analysis as not being meaningful observation). Made me suspect you more and more, however we had bigger and better things to discuss at the time, since BD and MrL had some falling out, making me believe one if not both were mafia at the time to avoid suspicion between one another. After MrL turned up town and even as a firefighter I had to think about it a bit more, the decision between investigating Atyeo or BD was hard, but I preferred to have a look into the more experienced player since BD was already a likely lynch target for today when night began.
Being on the fence about Aero is a clear example of the result that turned back when I investigated him. Like he could be mafia godfather and then I'd just look silly if he died and turned up mafia. However since the likelihood of that actually occurring was still quite low I didn't bother to press any information out of him further on since I felt like he was on my side.
I would never call my search of Atyeo a waste, with the mafia godfather in play every investigation was more of a hope than anything. With Atyeo still alive into this day I probably could have assumed he was mafia without even investigating him, but since I did take the risk and opportunity to investigate him I can now be sure of my argument instead (I really hate confrontation so making arguments like this when I can't be sure who is mafia or not is actually incredibly hard).
So the right time to role reveal is never straight away. You win these games by generating meaningful discussions and such. So letting everyone (except Jeans since he took so long to reply) post before I made a claim was the right thing to do and could have potentially let me weed out any other mafia members in the mean time. Specifically since I know that they are mafia godfather at this point and my power is a lot harder to use. Also even more specifically since I was under the pressure and as you said, needed a strong defense, you didn't even really let me wait to let Jeans talk. I'd rather not give an opportunity to an inactive player at the time to lynch an innocent town member such as myself.
So with the voting to get people to talk thing. It's something I noticed in my prior games, but if you ask people things they generally don't speak up unless there is some form of pressure on them. You stated many times that people seem to just avoid the question and carry on about something else to avoid the conversation. So as such I do put a vote on someone to make them speak, putting a vote on cAKE provided very much as a good result because he was able to confirm to me that he was town at this point with his "bad defense".
The convenient excuse you talk about really doesn't mean anything as well, like as town it's in the best interest for us to lynch people otherwise we are really just giving mafia a free kill every night without a chance of hitting scum during the day. That said, day 2 who would you have lynched? It was out of cAKE and MrL. cAKE of which at least was able to provide a defense of himself even though you said it was bad, at least he tried MrL simply didn't even try and promised a big write-up twice and didn't deliver.
Based on my vague post that I initially made it seems to have worked. It drew you out saying that this is just a dumb guess, but in reality it really wasn't. The only guess here was if one of BD or Jeans was actually mafia as well, not revealing straight away actually gave me more strength in this type of defense I'm doing right now since I have at least something to refer back to unlike Jeans.
Once again, through my experience people with roles are indeed MORE invested in the game, they have something to discuss and do and feel like they are able to make bigger plays. While it may not have 100% certainty there is definitely a correlation and if you disagree with that you're just being silly.
Jeans typically target hunts when he plays, makes a mistake and gets lynched from my experience as him as a player, why suddenly change this now? It's almost as if someone was telling him what to do. Other than his big write-up which you pretty much completely disagreed with, and the counter claim as detective he hasn't done a whole lot unless needed. Hell he even came down and hammered MrL since you guys already knew he was town and could blame it on me for being the first person to vote for him in the process. Hammering is usually bad, but in a case of this game where we don't play until the last day for some reason it has been overlooked.
As such I think my actions are pretty clear. You do things to get people to talk, in this case that gives me information of who I want to investigate. Day 1: I pressured Aero, he ignored me and didn't provide and basis whatsoever so I felt the need that I had to investigate him. Day 2: Nothing really happened, I tried getting people to talk and that really only worked for cAKE after Christmas happened and I believed his defense, so I then went to the most next suss person which was MrL at the time, he dies Atyeo is still alive, I'm not left with much choice of who to investigate at this point. (It was between him and BD, but as I said earlier BD was a more likely lynch target day 3 if no information was found, which Exist agreed with).
Was cAKES defense really a dud defense?
It got Aero, BD and I to believe him at the time, so it must have at least been a decent defense. MrL's input was limited to:
which even insinuates he also thought that cAKE wasn't mafia. He also made hints to a role, I would have liked to know what it was before lynching him, but he never typed for the next 2 days and left town with no choice really. Also even Exist thought cAKE was town but also a detriment if he was going to make those types of plays. Legitimately it was just Atyeo and Jeans who was trying to pin him as mafia.
Your answer on me being paired with cAKE or BD actually confuses me. I've defended cAKE once thinking he was town which everyone except Atyeo and Jeans agreed upon. And I've had very little to do with BD until today in which he's still only made two posts for my defense. (I still appreciate it though BD, keep it up <3)
Other than disagreeing with most people Atyeo I don't know if you really have been more useful to the team. Aero at least tried to get something done early on for the day 2 play in which you came in as a last resort. You haven't really tried to get much discussion started until today and spend most of your time criticizing others. Which while it is a valid play in this game you haven't really opened up to anyone and just try and pin things on others more than anything, so you would have been a good target to investigate night 2. Also I know personally Jeans would probably just investigate you regardless since you disagreed with him so much out of spite more than anything. He didn't even reply to you after all the nitpicking, which is insanely suss and didn't even come in to do anything till he was needed to lynch someone.
I don't really know you that well Atyeo, I've met you briefly at a couple of events and I don't think I've participated in a game with you playing. (IIRC i've only played 4 games, 1 I was mercy killed early, 1 ended day 1 cause of character claiming, another i came in day 3 and the other one was in real life) So I haven't actually had the full experience. So if that reaction is normal towards him I apologize, I didn't really know that you had much to do together.
I wasn't even on the lynch cAKE train, I wanted him to speak so I put a vote out (as I explained earlier this was the best way I felt to apply pressure). And then in terms of pulling my votes to MrL I had a vote on him to get him to speak and said I'd likely switch if he said anything meaningful later (as I said he kept promising a write-up and didn't deliver). But then we ran out of time so instead of me pulling everyone's votes over, time pulled everyone's votes over.
So Atyeo, I did the maths on this one, if I were mafia godfather (which I'm not), I'd simply have to lead town 2 more days to win. With investigation immunity it'd be pretty easy to do this and while leading town even easier to convince. So day 4 there is 4 people alive, we lynch as it's considered the universally best thing to do a lot of the time and then mafia kills once more and then only two remain so it's then a 1 on 1. Sure you could say that the doctor could protect someone or town does a no lynch day 4 it wouldn't work. Even then it'd likely lead to a draw or a 50/50...
In terms of going under the radar I mean posting when needed and providing meaningful analysis, but only when NEEDED. Therefore it looks like I'm helping town but in reality I'm not saying a lot to help them, nor am I saying anything to incriminate myself. The best example I saw of a godfather play was in the fire emblem game by JonChee. He played the role perfectly and was only playing a supporting (but not really) type of role for town.
As I said earlier, if you think investigating you is a waste of action I guess you're really underselling yourself. The likelihood of us both being alive at this point is incredibly low and seems like it might have been set up day 1 from you lynching Glace early on. Like if I was mafia there is no reason to leave you alive over Aero since Aero was agreeing with everything I did. (and we both already agreed I would take protection).
Once again who is more suspicious than you Atyeo? Only BD in my mind, but as I said earlier I'd prefer to know what the big shots are doing at the moment even if they were to die.
I don't really know how I'm shooting myself in the foot with these arguments, as the days currently shown you have been the biggest threat to town because you now are within reach to win. If I had not investigated you at all you'd have all leverage on me and would probably just straight up win, since I had thought you were town initially and just needed to be sure since something was up with your play.
I don't know what this next argument is really about, but you do keep calling mafia play bad. People suggested it early and you would just straight up say it. However their plays been really good in terms of eliminating people who had been siding with me, while leaving the more suspicious people alive. (BD)
As mafia I wouldn't need to play super aggressive and draw doctors attention to win, Night 1 kill is a 1/10 chance or something for the doctor to hit who was being night killed and then and 1/8 chance on Night 2 odds are pretty low and you can pretty easily predict who is more likely to be protected based on play. Simply leaving Atyeo alive as a mafia member (which I'm not) who would have likely been drawing away the doctors protection is a big no no and you're just being silly here. ESPECIALLY since Aero seemed to be taking my side, maybe noticing my nicer player to him on Day 2 (Just guesswork, but it seemed to be a an odd occurrence none the less).
I answered above why who the doctor protects is pretty important for this type of game, it should dictate mafia kills which has been proven to have succeed in this instance.
So as I said earlier, I spoke up not because it was a mafia move but rather because I needed to defend myself Jeans had ample time to literally say ANYTHING before you decided to make the claim on me. Atyeo thought that my first post of the day was ample evidence to get myself lynched and would use it to say I was just leading town to another loss. But no, I really believe that the people playing and voting are the ones with the most to do with the game and I think that can be shown with our 2 pairing today of me, BD and Atyeo, Jeans. There seems to be very clearly at least 3 power roles in this 2 of which are mafia and one is a detective. Being able to state this was definitely easier to say since I already knew 2/4 roles in the 4 people I named were. Me as detective and Atyeo as mafia.
Like I said earlier I did the maths, and that suggested that even if 1 mafia got lynched, with appropriate play they could get to winning pretty easily. (Specifically with 1-shot immunity) But since I named dropped the 4 of us it's clear that option no longer existed and he really was just forced to counter-claim. Either that or you don't trust him with carrying out a long term plan by himself.
Lastly on the Glace thing, that type of analysis wouldn't scare me in the slightest. I KNOW that I am being the loudest player in the game but I was trying to do it for a good cause and to get discussion started. It didn't really work and that made me sad, because I sign up to these games to play not to be silent. He really just reiterated what everyone else was saying prior.
All in all, Atyeo has put up a very convincing argument towards me, however he does so with no evidence provided and does what he always does and just goes through peoples posts and just tear them apart, since it's very easy to get people to think what you want to them to think by only sure portions of the story.
As Exist said I think I'm also curious to hear what BD thinks since him siding with me is actually a total shock and could put a hamper on my arguments. (Although I really do appreciate it, defending alone sucks :<) The only reason this is the case though because it divides town into 3 groups of 2. BD and Me (Considered potentially mafia as a result), Atyeo and Jeans (Also considered mafia and one of which has been claimed to have been confirmed scum by me) and the two townies (Exist and cAKE).
In reality we can extend this to another day and have tomorrow start with 5 people, but I think I have provided ample evidence and defense to as why I am actually the detective.
Also forgive me for the wall of text, I was literally just going through everything that Atyeo said bit by bit and this happened. Also what role are you Atyeo if you are not mafia? You say you have no evidence so I assume you're claiming vanilla townie in this case.
Currently all that's left is 2 mafia, 1 detective, 1 medic, 2 vanilla townies. The only thing we know for certain is that Detective is either me or Jeans.
01/05/2019 03:23:13
At the moment I've taken it upon myself to provide definitive evidence that Atyeo is at the very least one of the mafia members. (Jeans looks likely too since he jumped in for his defense). The real reason I claimed first is because I literally waited 2 days for everyone to post. Everyone except Jeans had posted by this point and I already had myself under pressure from Atyeo making a bunch of claims about me. So since I felt enough was already discussed today and that I am the real detective I decided to share my findings with town.
Like for example, what makes you think so confidently that Jeans is the real detective? Simply because he doesn't have you on his mafia list? Well since you are still alive and I'm still alive, one of us should be mafia in this instance.
And since we both agree that the doctor is likely to protect me you would have been the perfect night lynch, Aero had been constantly agreeing with me days prior, so as mafia there is absolutely no reason to choose him over you, except for if I actually wasn't mafia and that the mafia had no other choice but to take the safe lynch.
Personally I'm not sure why BD sided with me so quickly, it may be because first information is good information. However it clearly defines 2 potential groups of mafia to town and then they need to make an informed decision on evidence given. (Don't get me wrong I'm glad that I'm not alone for once in this type of defense, but yeah it definitely shows more options for town to lynch and needing to make a decision).
So I said that cAKE's play if he was mafia was brilliant (since he would have done it on purpose at this point), I think you keep going back and twisting my words. Since I highly doubt cAKE is even mafia at all at this point then the play was just a simple slip up and shows that he wasn't invested into the game at the time of posting.
As someone who has seen cAKE play quite regularly and play with him a few times, its pretty clear to see this is a common occurrence of mistake for cAKE and similar things have happened in the past, so to finally do this on purpose in the reverse end if he were mafia would be something amazing, tbh.
In general for mafia play, killing Aero would not be as good as killing Atyeo, why is that? Simply Aero plays anti-town for the fun of it, so getting to lynch him on later days is much simpler then trying to get someone like Atyeo lynched I'm not saying Aero's a bad player or anything (he's really smart about his decisions) but the only reason Atyeo should ever be lynched is if a detective finds something in him usually. So yes the Atyeo should die at night argument should hold water and if you don't think so you are highly underselling yourself.
Narrowing power roles and such to the more active players in the voting process is a highly likely scenario that occurs in every game. The vanilla game I created with Dean had all the power roles being incredibly involved with the game and the others just going MIA and not doing a whole lot. So yes it was a guess, but it's an educated guess and show's promise since me and Jeans are clearly a detective and mafia member.
So as far as I'm concerned, if the top players aren't my friends, I need to know. It's pretty likely that one of the top players should be mafia in the late game, so knowing early on is pretty important. Also in day 1, I don't think there was a single person who was more worthy of an investigation as Aero since we literally ran out of time and had to mercy lynch for the sake of town and at this point he was the only one showing suss behavior.
The main reason I defended you Atyeo because at the time I thought you could potentially be town, you were doing your typical analysis stuff, but at the same time I felt as if you weren't giving much basis and were kind of splashing about. (This was even said in Jeans analysis as not being meaningful observation). Made me suspect you more and more, however we had bigger and better things to discuss at the time, since BD and MrL had some falling out, making me believe one if not both were mafia at the time to avoid suspicion between one another. After MrL turned up town and even as a firefighter I had to think about it a bit more, the decision between investigating Atyeo or BD was hard, but I preferred to have a look into the more experienced player since BD was already a likely lynch target for today when night began.
Being on the fence about Aero is a clear example of the result that turned back when I investigated him. Like he could be mafia godfather and then I'd just look silly if he died and turned up mafia. However since the likelihood of that actually occurring was still quite low I didn't bother to press any information out of him further on since I felt like he was on my side.
I would never call my search of Atyeo a waste, with the mafia godfather in play every investigation was more of a hope than anything. With Atyeo still alive into this day I probably could have assumed he was mafia without even investigating him, but since I did take the risk and opportunity to investigate him I can now be sure of my argument instead (I really hate confrontation so making arguments like this when I can't be sure who is mafia or not is actually incredibly hard).
So the right time to role reveal is never straight away. You win these games by generating meaningful discussions and such. So letting everyone (except Jeans since he took so long to reply) post before I made a claim was the right thing to do and could have potentially let me weed out any other mafia members in the mean time. Specifically since I know that they are mafia godfather at this point and my power is a lot harder to use. Also even more specifically since I was under the pressure and as you said, needed a strong defense, you didn't even really let me wait to let Jeans talk. I'd rather not give an opportunity to an inactive player at the time to lynch an innocent town member such as myself.
So with the voting to get people to talk thing. It's something I noticed in my prior games, but if you ask people things they generally don't speak up unless there is some form of pressure on them. You stated many times that people seem to just avoid the question and carry on about something else to avoid the conversation. So as such I do put a vote on someone to make them speak, putting a vote on cAKE provided very much as a good result because he was able to confirm to me that he was town at this point with his "bad defense".
The convenient excuse you talk about really doesn't mean anything as well, like as town it's in the best interest for us to lynch people otherwise we are really just giving mafia a free kill every night without a chance of hitting scum during the day. That said, day 2 who would you have lynched? It was out of cAKE and MrL. cAKE of which at least was able to provide a defense of himself even though you said it was bad, at least he tried MrL simply didn't even try and promised a big write-up twice and didn't deliver.
Based on my vague post that I initially made it seems to have worked. It drew you out saying that this is just a dumb guess, but in reality it really wasn't. The only guess here was if one of BD or Jeans was actually mafia as well, not revealing straight away actually gave me more strength in this type of defense I'm doing right now since I have at least something to refer back to unlike Jeans.
Once again, through my experience people with roles are indeed MORE invested in the game, they have something to discuss and do and feel like they are able to make bigger plays. While it may not have 100% certainty there is definitely a correlation and if you disagree with that you're just being silly.
Jeans typically target hunts when he plays, makes a mistake and gets lynched from my experience as him as a player, why suddenly change this now? It's almost as if someone was telling him what to do. Other than his big write-up which you pretty much completely disagreed with, and the counter claim as detective he hasn't done a whole lot unless needed. Hell he even came down and hammered MrL since you guys already knew he was town and could blame it on me for being the first person to vote for him in the process. Hammering is usually bad, but in a case of this game where we don't play until the last day for some reason it has been overlooked.
As such I think my actions are pretty clear. You do things to get people to talk, in this case that gives me information of who I want to investigate. Day 1: I pressured Aero, he ignored me and didn't provide and basis whatsoever so I felt the need that I had to investigate him. Day 2: Nothing really happened, I tried getting people to talk and that really only worked for cAKE after Christmas happened and I believed his defense, so I then went to the most next suss person which was MrL at the time, he dies Atyeo is still alive, I'm not left with much choice of who to investigate at this point. (It was between him and BD, but as I said earlier BD was a more likely lynch target day 3 if no information was found, which Exist agreed with).
Was cAKES defense really a dud defense?
It got Aero, BD and I to believe him at the time, so it must have at least been a decent defense. MrL's input was limited to:
MrL said:
Lynch cake so you’ll be suss of me and then I activate my trap card and you then vote for BD the real mafia by default 😇
which even insinuates he also thought that cAKE wasn't mafia. He also made hints to a role, I would have liked to know what it was before lynching him, but he never typed for the next 2 days and left town with no choice really. Also even Exist thought cAKE was town but also a detriment if he was going to make those types of plays. Legitimately it was just Atyeo and Jeans who was trying to pin him as mafia.
Your answer on me being paired with cAKE or BD actually confuses me. I've defended cAKE once thinking he was town which everyone except Atyeo and Jeans agreed upon. And I've had very little to do with BD until today in which he's still only made two posts for my defense. (I still appreciate it though BD, keep it up <3)
Other than disagreeing with most people Atyeo I don't know if you really have been more useful to the team. Aero at least tried to get something done early on for the day 2 play in which you came in as a last resort. You haven't really tried to get much discussion started until today and spend most of your time criticizing others. Which while it is a valid play in this game you haven't really opened up to anyone and just try and pin things on others more than anything, so you would have been a good target to investigate night 2. Also I know personally Jeans would probably just investigate you regardless since you disagreed with him so much out of spite more than anything. He didn't even reply to you after all the nitpicking, which is insanely suss and didn't even come in to do anything till he was needed to lynch someone.
I don't really know you that well Atyeo, I've met you briefly at a couple of events and I don't think I've participated in a game with you playing. (IIRC i've only played 4 games, 1 I was mercy killed early, 1 ended day 1 cause of character claiming, another i came in day 3 and the other one was in real life) So I haven't actually had the full experience. So if that reaction is normal towards him I apologize, I didn't really know that you had much to do together.
I wasn't even on the lynch cAKE train, I wanted him to speak so I put a vote out (as I explained earlier this was the best way I felt to apply pressure). And then in terms of pulling my votes to MrL I had a vote on him to get him to speak and said I'd likely switch if he said anything meaningful later (as I said he kept promising a write-up and didn't deliver). But then we ran out of time so instead of me pulling everyone's votes over, time pulled everyone's votes over.
So Atyeo, I did the maths on this one, if I were mafia godfather (which I'm not), I'd simply have to lead town 2 more days to win. With investigation immunity it'd be pretty easy to do this and while leading town even easier to convince. So day 4 there is 4 people alive, we lynch as it's considered the universally best thing to do a lot of the time and then mafia kills once more and then only two remain so it's then a 1 on 1. Sure you could say that the doctor could protect someone or town does a no lynch day 4 it wouldn't work. Even then it'd likely lead to a draw or a 50/50...
In terms of going under the radar I mean posting when needed and providing meaningful analysis, but only when NEEDED. Therefore it looks like I'm helping town but in reality I'm not saying a lot to help them, nor am I saying anything to incriminate myself. The best example I saw of a godfather play was in the fire emblem game by JonChee. He played the role perfectly and was only playing a supporting (but not really) type of role for town.
As I said earlier, if you think investigating you is a waste of action I guess you're really underselling yourself. The likelihood of us both being alive at this point is incredibly low and seems like it might have been set up day 1 from you lynching Glace early on. Like if I was mafia there is no reason to leave you alive over Aero since Aero was agreeing with everything I did. (and we both already agreed I would take protection).
Once again who is more suspicious than you Atyeo? Only BD in my mind, but as I said earlier I'd prefer to know what the big shots are doing at the moment even if they were to die.
I don't really know how I'm shooting myself in the foot with these arguments, as the days currently shown you have been the biggest threat to town because you now are within reach to win. If I had not investigated you at all you'd have all leverage on me and would probably just straight up win, since I had thought you were town initially and just needed to be sure since something was up with your play.
I don't know what this next argument is really about, but you do keep calling mafia play bad. People suggested it early and you would just straight up say it. However their plays been really good in terms of eliminating people who had been siding with me, while leaving the more suspicious people alive. (BD)
As mafia I wouldn't need to play super aggressive and draw doctors attention to win, Night 1 kill is a 1/10 chance or something for the doctor to hit who was being night killed and then and 1/8 chance on Night 2 odds are pretty low and you can pretty easily predict who is more likely to be protected based on play. Simply leaving Atyeo alive as a mafia member (which I'm not) who would have likely been drawing away the doctors protection is a big no no and you're just being silly here. ESPECIALLY since Aero seemed to be taking my side, maybe noticing my nicer player to him on Day 2 (Just guesswork, but it seemed to be a an odd occurrence none the less).
I answered above why who the doctor protects is pretty important for this type of game, it should dictate mafia kills which has been proven to have succeed in this instance.
So as I said earlier, I spoke up not because it was a mafia move but rather because I needed to defend myself Jeans had ample time to literally say ANYTHING before you decided to make the claim on me. Atyeo thought that my first post of the day was ample evidence to get myself lynched and would use it to say I was just leading town to another loss. But no, I really believe that the people playing and voting are the ones with the most to do with the game and I think that can be shown with our 2 pairing today of me, BD and Atyeo, Jeans. There seems to be very clearly at least 3 power roles in this 2 of which are mafia and one is a detective. Being able to state this was definitely easier to say since I already knew 2/4 roles in the 4 people I named were. Me as detective and Atyeo as mafia.
Like I said earlier I did the maths, and that suggested that even if 1 mafia got lynched, with appropriate play they could get to winning pretty easily. (Specifically with 1-shot immunity) But since I named dropped the 4 of us it's clear that option no longer existed and he really was just forced to counter-claim. Either that or you don't trust him with carrying out a long term plan by himself.
Lastly on the Glace thing, that type of analysis wouldn't scare me in the slightest. I KNOW that I am being the loudest player in the game but I was trying to do it for a good cause and to get discussion started. It didn't really work and that made me sad, because I sign up to these games to play not to be silent. He really just reiterated what everyone else was saying prior.
All in all, Atyeo has put up a very convincing argument towards me, however he does so with no evidence provided and does what he always does and just goes through peoples posts and just tear them apart, since it's very easy to get people to think what you want to them to think by only sure portions of the story.
As Exist said I think I'm also curious to hear what BD thinks since him siding with me is actually a total shock and could put a hamper on my arguments. (Although I really do appreciate it, defending alone sucks :<) The only reason this is the case though because it divides town into 3 groups of 2. BD and Me (Considered potentially mafia as a result), Atyeo and Jeans (Also considered mafia and one of which has been claimed to have been confirmed scum by me) and the two townies (Exist and cAKE).
In reality we can extend this to another day and have tomorrow start with 5 people, but I think I have provided ample evidence and defense to as why I am actually the detective.
Also forgive me for the wall of text, I was literally just going through everything that Atyeo said bit by bit and this happened. Also what role are you Atyeo if you are not mafia? You say you have no evidence so I assume you're claiming vanilla townie in this case.
Currently all that's left is 2 mafia, 1 detective, 1 medic, 2 vanilla townies. The only thing we know for certain is that Detective is either me or Jeans.
01/05/2019 03:23:13
More accurately, we know that if Rhyno is the detective, Jeans is the Godfather and Atyeo is the other mafia member, and if Jeans is the detective, Rhyno is the Godfather. Additionally, we know that Atyeo and Rhyno are on opposite teams because if they're our mafia members, playing against each other is a ridiculously large risk that would very rarely pay off. Using this knowledge, If Jeans is the detective, Atyeo is also a townie. This is the information we know almost certainly. I would like to see BDs thoughts as I mentioned above, I would also like to see who claims Doctor. This will either leave us with a confirmed townie or another 50/50 either way, good for the town.
01/05/2019 05:55:24
01/05/2019 05:55:24
Vote: Atyeo
01/06/2019 02:58:56
01/06/2019 02:58:56
Wait a minute, can you give a basis on that decision?
Even if you're agreeing with me I'd honestly prefer a little bit of talk.
01/06/2019 04:53:55
Even if you're agreeing with me I'd honestly prefer a little bit of talk.
01/06/2019 04:53:55
Ahhh I'm v sorry for being dead over the last couple days, have been going to/running tournaments D:
Lmao I @d you two specifically as I thought it was super clear (still is) that it's Rhyno's word + me defending him vs JEANS's word with Ateyo defending him, leaving the 2 of you to decide which side to take (still the case BTW)
But anyway yeah imo all Ateyo has been saying is trying to break down all of Rhyno's posts to make him look like scum with no evidence. It's very easy to break posts and make someone look a certain way, for experienced players, and is a good tactic to try and sway cAKE and Exist.
Anyway yeah I really wanted to say this before I left on the weekend but I figured I should hold off but I realise now I'm and idiot and should've claimed soon after Rhyno did. I'm the Doctor. But I suck ass as doctor (still LOL) and haven't saved anyone today, as I saved Ateyo himself night 1 (thought Rhyno was too obvious, and thought at the time that I couldn't save someone twice in a row, learned that I could during day 2 lmao) and saved Rhyno night 2. This why I was somewhat annoyed that the Mafia kills were good and killed who they did lool
Oml reading back Ateyo's post again:
you didn't claim detective my guy
Clearly this is a major slip up, as he's been working with JEANS on the claim. If he was being legit and is town what reason would he ever have to mistype that he claimed/is detective?
01/06/2019 12:56:19
Lmao I @d you two specifically as I thought it was super clear (still is) that it's Rhyno's word + me defending him vs JEANS's word with Ateyo defending him, leaving the 2 of you to decide which side to take (still the case BTW)
But anyway yeah imo all Ateyo has been saying is trying to break down all of Rhyno's posts to make him look like scum with no evidence. It's very easy to break posts and make someone look a certain way, for experienced players, and is a good tactic to try and sway cAKE and Exist.
Anyway yeah I really wanted to say this before I left on the weekend but I figured I should hold off but I realise now I'm and idiot and should've claimed soon after Rhyno did. I'm the Doctor. But I suck ass as doctor (still LOL) and haven't saved anyone today, as I saved Ateyo himself night 1 (thought Rhyno was too obvious, and thought at the time that I couldn't save someone twice in a row, learned that I could during day 2 lmao) and saved Rhyno night 2. This why I was somewhat annoyed that the Mafia kills were good and killed who they did lool
Oml reading back Ateyo's post again:
Ateyo said:
What? So you are saying that since you just vaguely listed 3 people (with no evidence) and then a few posts later when put on the spot you invent that one of them is mafia, that you can then claim you 'successfully' predicted the mafia? Not only is that a silly conclusion to jump to, it also makes no sense. How would this be enough proof (especially since it was no proof at all) to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss? (just further signs that point to your plan to claim first to try and frame the real detective so that nobody will listen to them)
you didn't claim detective my guy
Clearly this is a major slip up, as he's been working with JEANS on the claim. If he was being legit and is town what reason would he ever have to mistype that he claimed/is detective?
01/06/2019 12:56:19
Hi all, just a quick reminder that if no majority is reached by Wednesday evening then day 3 will result in a no lynch. You've still got plenty of time but just keep that in mind.
01/07/2019 01:00:41
01/07/2019 01:00:41
Wait a minute BD, you're a god, I didn't even see that in my write-up and I literally went through point for point.
Also you definitely did the right thing by not protecting me night 1 since I would have been too obvious as well. (shown since I'm still alive) But unfortunately the one you protected was mafia. :(
Also with the Mafia kills being as smart as they were I wouldn't say you sucked at doctor, it's literally a 1/10 chance to get a good protect but if mafia kill unrelated people then its almost 0/10.
01/07/2019 01:28:32
Also you definitely did the right thing by not protecting me night 1 since I would have been too obvious as well. (shown since I'm still alive) But unfortunately the one you protected was mafia. :(
Also with the Mafia kills being as smart as they were I wouldn't say you sucked at doctor, it's literally a 1/10 chance to get a good protect but if mafia kill unrelated people then its almost 0/10.
01/07/2019 01:28:32
I'll do a more comprehensive post later tonight but you are misreading that, its not a slip up of any kind.
If you read that again you can see he says that he was expecting me to claim detective and that if I did so it would automatically lose me the game. I never claimed to be detective I was asking him how if I hypothetically had claimed it, how that would equate to me losing the game?
"How would this be enough proof to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss?"
I am simply asking him why he thought that that would be an auto loss.
I understand you guys being suspicious of me and not believing me, but please dont lose us the game because you misread something I said and jumped to the wrong conclusion.
01/07/2019 09:19:53
Atyeo said:
Rhyno said:I was actually expecting Atyeo to counter-claim me initially, but that wouldn't make sense since I already made the correct prediction in my first post saying that one of Atyeo, BD or JEANS was mafia, making it that you would lose a slow defeat.
What? So you are saying that since you just vaguely listed 3 people (with no evidence) and then a few posts later when put on the spot you invent that one of them is mafia, that you can then claim you 'successfully' predicted the mafia? Not only is that a silly conclusion to jump to, it also makes no sense. How would this be enough proof (especially since it was no proof at all) to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss? (just further signs that point to your plan to claim first to try and frame the real detective so that nobody will listen to them
If you read that again you can see he says that he was expecting me to claim detective and that if I did so it would automatically lose me the game. I never claimed to be detective I was asking him how if I hypothetically had claimed it, how that would equate to me losing the game?
"How would this be enough proof to make my claiming to be detective an auto loss?"
I am simply asking him why he thought that that would be an auto loss.
I understand you guys being suspicious of me and not believing me, but please dont lose us the game because you misread something I said and jumped to the wrong conclusion.
01/07/2019 09:19:53
Okay, now that BD has claimed Doctor, it seems to me that the mafia pair must either be JEANS and Atyeo, or Rhyno and cAKE. I have noticed JEANS and Atyeo haven't really been suspected for the entire game, which is exactly what I would be aiming to do if I was mafia. I'm also asking myself how feasible it is that cAKE staged the glace died thing as a double bluff and I'm thinking not very so for that reason, Vote: Atyeo Fingers crossed this all works out.
I can't be sure I made the correct decision but from the information I have, I think it is.
01/08/2019 06:00:07
I can't be sure I made the correct decision but from the information I have, I think it is.
01/08/2019 06:00:07
A majority has been reached!
Writeup will happen when I have more than 2 minutes to monitor the thread (probably after tonight's tournament). Feel free to keep talking in the meantime - consider this a twilight phase.
01/08/2019 06:00:45
Writeup will happen when I have more than 2 minutes to monitor the thread (probably after tonight's tournament). Feel free to keep talking in the meantime - consider this a twilight phase.
01/08/2019 06:00:45
Yay, the town won! Good job Exist.
I never doubted you. Er well technically we haven't won yet, need to still lynch Jeans.
I'll avenge whoever dies, unless it's me, then avenge me.
01/08/2019 06:44:18
I never doubted you. Er well technically we haven't won yet, need to still lynch Jeans.
I'll avenge whoever dies, unless it's me, then avenge me.
01/08/2019 06:44:18
gg's well played, we doubled down on the last day why not but unfort it didnt pay off (also getting suspected because someone completely mis-interpreted what you said is a little lame)
game was sorta fun and I say sorta because jesus christ it took forever for anything to happen. I checked the thread multiple times every day but I was being careful so I usually had to wait for others to post before I could say anything and 3 or 4 days would go by without someone posting.
So feedback for next time, be active please (or dont play) except rhyno who was super active
01/08/2019 07:33:04
game was sorta fun and I say sorta because jesus christ it took forever for anything to happen. I checked the thread multiple times every day but I was being careful so I usually had to wait for others to post before I could say anything and 3 or 4 days would go by without someone posting.
So feedback for next time, be active please (or dont play) except rhyno who was super active
01/08/2019 07:33:04