Given the way the last game went with town revealing powers and most people believing claims I wouldn't put it past Invisi to try abuse this right off the bat this game.
There isn't really any way to check he really is bookie unless he happens to use a one shot power on one of us and we can notice it.
Having said that though if he really is mafia then it's a pretty risky play to do what he's doing, therefore I'm slightly believing his claim at the moment until further info comes up.
8 years ago
Hey guys, I just got home and I have pondered about the current situation further.
I feel that Invisi's play wouldn't work on any other townie; he's taking advantage of everyone's antagonistic behaviour towards Laggy. Given Laggy's history, I don't see why not it wouldn't work. I'm just now hesitant because this play can potentially be disastrous if Invisi does turn out to be scum.
For me to rescind my vote, Laggy would have to prove his worth to the town other than a negative utility. Until then, I wouldn't miss him leaving at all.
8 years ago
I feel that Invisi's play wouldn't work on any other townie; he's taking advantage of everyone's antagonistic behaviour towards Laggy. Given Laggy's history, I don't see why not it wouldn't work. I'm just now hesitant because this play can potentially be disastrous if Invisi does turn out to be scum.
For me to rescind my vote, Laggy would have to prove his worth to the town other than a negative utility. Until then, I wouldn't miss him leaving at all.
8 years ago
I half believe Invisi but up until now I've never heard of a Bookie so right now im just trying to observe, sorry if that seems suss but it's also day 1 and I don't have anything to say.
If there have been any QLDsmash games where a bookie played a big role in it then can you link me. Also yeah with school up again i probably won't talk during the day a lot, maybe at lunch or something but don't expect much.
8 years ago
If there have been any QLDsmash games where a bookie played a big role in it then can you link me. Also yeah with school up again i probably won't talk during the day a lot, maybe at lunch or something but don't expect much.
8 years ago
JLo said:
For me to rescind my vote, Laggy would have to prove his worth to the town other than a negative utility. Until then, I wouldn't miss him leaving at all.
Ditto.
It's probably already a given, but we expect you Invisi, to tell us what oneshot you receive if/when laggy is lynched. Let's think this through...
if Invisi receives a kill then it's fairly easy to prove.
If Invisi gets a protect, then that's an issue because it's difficult to prove.
If Invisi gets an investigate, then I feel like we'll find a way to prove it.
One question though, can you use your oneshot(s) during the day or night phase?
I think what we should do is lynch laggy, then followup on Invisi about his role. We don't have to prove him scum or town straight away. We can confirm him one or the other based on his actions after the early game settles in. He doesn't have to be our focus when we have no evidence about his role.
8 years ago
I don't think Invisi is lying about being bookie since he did claim it this early however since a bookie can be either alignment we can't be certain whether he is town or mafia. It would be a gutsy claim if he is mafia so I think it's more likely that he's town. We still need to be skeptical but we are unlikely to know for sure today.
The problem is that with Invisi's ability, unless he finds out a mafia member he can't be proven town yet. If Laggy is mafia, Invisi is likely town but the mafia could have also decided to chuck Laggy under the bus early in order to look more pro town. I'm not sure how likely that would be but if they believed laggy was going to die early anyway why not get your ability and look pro town while doing it.
Laggy still needs to show us why we shouldn't lynch him though.
8 years ago
The problem is that with Invisi's ability, unless he finds out a mafia member he can't be proven town yet. If Laggy is mafia, Invisi is likely town but the mafia could have also decided to chuck Laggy under the bus early in order to look more pro town. I'm not sure how likely that would be but if they believed laggy was going to die early anyway why not get your ability and look pro town while doing it.
Laggy still needs to show us why we shouldn't lynch him though.
8 years ago
InsertName said:
If there have been any QLDsmash games where a bookie played a big role in it then can you link me.
It was in the last game, but Hydropimp didn't make any successful guesses to make it do anything.
So I think we should go through with lynching Laggy I guess, since he often at times hinders town but we don't need to rush this day, 1 week days will feel significantly shorter anyways.
If Invisi was mafia he could be banking on that he has investigate immunity of the cops so that he can mislead them into thinking he is town.
There is a lot of outcomes that could happen in this situation, Cjeccjec covered 3 of the ones to prove that he is town, but there is a lot more to it.
For example if he were mafia they could just not kill someone that night and Invisi could claim that he was successful in protection of a townie.
Invisi also made a point last game that town is too trusting into claims, therefore it could be a massive bait that he is now doing it himself. (Or he's just not lying too that's an option too.)
8 years ago
Invisi said:
FramesJanco said:I don't think I'm contradicting myself. A 1-shot power isn't super threatening such that the mafia would specifically want to target me, so I don't feel like I'm risking too much by revealing my role. At the same time, a townie with a 1-shot power is better than a vanilla townie, hence I feel it is beneficial to reveal my role in order to up my chances of receiving such powers.
It feels as if you're contradicting yourself, "I don't want mafia attention on me" but you noted the fact that if you guess right you get powers, making you a quick target for mafia IF you are town IF laggy is lynched today, doesn't really add up. If Laggy is town and Invisi is mafia he could just want the free n1 kill so we're down 2 town before we have any real information, let alone knowing if or when Invisi gets his powers.
Not really feeling this lynch now, have some suspicion of Invisi but alas,
VOTE: Unvote Also would appreciate if Laggy could input anything that's not just memeposting
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Laggy's silence is helping no one, especially not himself.
"Hi I'm mr mafia man I can guarantee removing this guy's power instead of killing a virgin or something"
As much as Laggy isn't good, he's still unknown if he's town or mafia and the likelihood of him being town is pretty high in comparison, from mafia's perspective a 1-shot kill or investigate is still a threat seeing as they don't know what other roles the town has, just my two cents. Still see why we could lynch laggy but can also see why we shouldnt.
8 years ago
lets just kill laggy
8 years ago
8 years ago
FramesJanco said:It's day one. Everyone is an unknown, and everyone is more likely to be town than mafia, by virtue of there being more town in the game than mafia. The only person we have any information on at this point is me, and even that is limited to a claim that no one can prove/disprove yet.
As much as Laggy isn't good, he's still unknown if he's town or mafia and the likelihood of him being town is pretty high in comparison, from mafia's perspective a 1-shot kill or investigate is still a threat seeing as they don't know what other roles the town has, just my two cents. Still see why we could lynch laggy but can also see why we shouldnt.
We've had the "who do we lynch day 1" argument a bunch of times, and the usual conclusion is to get rid of a weaker player. If they're mafia, great! If they're town, it minimises the impact of our loss. At least that's the reasoning used in previous games. That's why I decided to pick him as my day 1 bet.
At this point I'm a weak power role that the town doesn't trust. If the mafia want to pick me off tonight, instead of potentially a more powerful townie, I'm all for that. I'm also a prime target for investigation, and barring shenanigans, I'll provide a pro-town result. I can't 100% guarantee that though because the mafia might have a framer in their ranks, which I'm kinda worried about. If there is a watcher/voyeur or similar role among us, you'll probably get quite a bit of information from watching me tonight, given that I'm the centre of attention at the moment.
But honestly, the most concerning thing at the moment is that I don't think Laggy has provided a reason for us to keep him alive.
8 years ago
Out of the last 3 games I've seen the only solid and good defense be it lying or not was Windkeepers one, or people that have solid claims to make on their power roles which arent available on the first day.
8 years ago
8 years ago
Invisi said:
But honestly, the most concerning thing at the moment is that I don't think Laggy has provided a reason for us to keep him alive.
Has laggy ever defended himself.
He was actually unlynchable last game yet didn't think to at least try and tell the rest of town to not waste their lynch on him.
8 years ago
laggy defended himself that one time he was mafia and while doing it managed to semi-confirm 3 players as town
It was quite impressive
but really can we just use laggy as lynch fodder for today, seriously
8 years ago
It was quite impressive
but really can we just use laggy as lynch fodder for today, seriously
8 years ago
If the Mafia have a role blocker they can just block invisi from using their power. Though I assume Invisi will be able to use their power at some point in the game.
Laggy is beginning to look like a viable lynch now that they are not responding.
8 years ago
Laggy is beginning to look like a viable lynch now that they are not responding.
8 years ago
Thinking about it, if Invisi was town why would he role reveal day 1? He originally said because he thinks the town together would be able to use his power role better, which may be true, but all that really does is out town power roles later for the Mafia. Invisi himself even said people are going to investigate him tonight because of it and prove/disprove if he's town, but in the process we essentially throw away essential power roles from the town.
However if he was Mafia (bookie or not) he (and the mafia) get a free kill and/or super useful town power role information (because the cop/someone would out themselves to prove invisi is mafia)
I'm not saying we should just lynch Invisi, but this is definitely something to consider when thinking out invisi's play. I also feel like I repeated myself 10 times but hopefully people get the point
8 years ago
However if he was Mafia (bookie or not) he (and the mafia) get a free kill and/or super useful town power role information (because the cop/someone would out themselves to prove invisi is mafia)
I'm not saying we should just lynch Invisi, but this is definitely something to consider when thinking out invisi's play. I also feel like I repeated myself 10 times but hopefully people get the point
8 years ago
Invisi is definitely gonna draw the attention of some power roles, but what I'm worried about is if thats what he wants to happen.
8 years ago
8 years ago
basically summed up what i said in 2 lines rip ^
8 years ago
8 years ago
Yeah, you didnt specifically say if Invisi wanted people to investigate him, my b haha.
8 years ago
8 years ago
Yeah I have the same feeling as well, that he intentionally wants the attention of the power roles tonight and the bookie claim is just a ruse. It's very uncharacteristic of him to roleclaim off the bat as a first post.
8 years ago
8 years ago
So it's not unlikely that if this is all a ruse and Invisi is in fact mafia, there could be a mafia watcher who would then target Invisi to see if anyone visited him that night. An easy way to find out who is an investigater or doctor, to then kill them the next night.
8 years ago
8 years ago
Aero really wants Laggy lynched.
You worried he will outpost you later in the game with his insanely amazing powers of insight and deduction? Outplay*
8 years ago
You worried he will outpost you later in the game with his insanely amazing powers of insight and deduction? Outplay*
8 years ago
MrL said:
So it's not unlikely that if this is all a ruse and Invisi is in fact mafia, there could be a mafia watcher who would then target Invisi to see if anyone visited him that night. An easy way to find out who is an investigater or doctor, to then kill them the next night.
i didn't even consider a watcher, that would make it so much easier for the mafia even.
8 years ago
Regardless of what Invisi is doing Laggy is probably the optimal lynch play today unless someone else stuffs up.
Just be mindful of the fact Invisi might not be trusted during the night phase / day 2.
8 years ago
Just be mindful of the fact Invisi might not be trusted during the night phase / day 2.
8 years ago
Bijou said:
Aero really wants Laggy lynched.
You worried he will outplay you later in the game with his insanely amazing powers of insight and deduction?
kI L L K I L L
8 years ago
I hadn't thought of a lot of these possibilities you guys are bringing up, tbh. The intent of revealing my role was to try to make myself more useful. Drawing the attention of power roles is something I realised would happen, but is not the main goal of my strategy.
Honestly, the best evidence I have to support my case is how quickly I revealed, basically immediately as the thread opened. I wouldn'tve had time to make up a fake role, and definitely didn't have time to discuss such a plan with any potential mafia colleagues.
I don't think we can read too much into Aero's play. I just think he doesn't like Laggy very much.
8 years ago
Honestly, the best evidence I have to support my case is how quickly I revealed, basically immediately as the thread opened. I wouldn'tve had time to make up a fake role, and definitely didn't have time to discuss such a plan with any potential mafia colleagues.
I don't think we can read too much into Aero's play. I just think he doesn't like Laggy very much.
8 years ago
To be fair I had time to read my PM and then totally forget about the game for a day because the game wasn't started when I read it :^]
This is probably the play tho ^
8 years ago
Bijou said:
Regardless of what Invisi is doing Laggy is probably the optimal lynch play today unless someone else stuffs up.
Just be mindful of the fact Invisi might not be trusted during the night phase / day 2.
This is probably the play tho ^
8 years ago