Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | GAME OVER | Town Wins! page 8

"In its simplest form, Mafia consists of two sides: the Mafia, and the Town. The Mafia's goal is to kill the innocents, while the Town's goal is to kill the Mafia.

At the beginning of the game, the Moderator will secretly send everyone their role. The Mafia will know each other, while (in the basic game) everyone else will only know their own role.

The game has two phases. During Night, the Town can not communicate, but the Mafia can discuss and choose someone to murder. After the Moderator has received the name of the victim, the Moderator reveals the dead player, and Day begins.

During Day, the Town must choose someone to Lynch; they are trying to eliminate the Mafia, but the Mafia can lead them astray by casting suspicion elsewhere. Generally, players will vote for someone they think is Mafia (the Mafia will vote so that they seem to be doing this as well, and might even vote for each other to confuse the Town); when a player gets a majority of the votes, they are lynched. Their role is revealed by the Moderator, and it is once again Night.

The game alternates between Night and Day until either the Mafia are eliminated, or the Mafia have killed everyone else."

Guide: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Newbie_Guide
Flash tutorial: http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf
Reading the old games on QLD Smash may give you an indication of how to play the game.
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-game-over.308/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/smash-bros-themed-mafia-game-over-town-wins.316/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-smashbox-v-edition-game-over-vic-and-nsw-mafia-win.323/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-pokken-edition-game-over-town-wins.331/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-users-of-qld-smash-edition-day-5.337/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/co-hosted-fire-emblem-mafia-game-over-mafia-win.344/1
https://qldsmash.com/Forum/Thread/mafia-is-back-game-over-mafia-win.385/43#Post83014

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Rules:
1. Unless your role specifically states otherwise, no communication about the game takes place outside of this thread. This includes both players and non-players.
- This applies to Discord, shoutouts, Twitter, real life, etc. It is not fair for you to receive information (even basic things like player reactions) that other players don't have.
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With the new Pokemon Sun and Moon being released Aero and I thought it would be appropriate to theme a mafia game around it.

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Day Phases last 2 weeks from when they are started and night phases can go for up to 48 hours before the next day begins.

Mods:
Aerodrome
Rhyno

With 14 Alive it takes 8 to lynch!

Deadline: 06/02/17 14:30 AEDT

Votes:
Not Voted (8) - cAKE, ThatLaggyPerson, Extra, LuminousLucas, Hydropimp, Maribro, Cjeccjec, Invisi
Extra (6) - Luminescent, Dean, Bijou, JLo, Autumnwind, Ghostbone

Dead:
LachlanF, Town-Aligned "Officer Jenny's Arcanine" Vanilla Cop, lynched Day 1
MrL, Mafia "Guzma" 2-Shot Strongman, killed Night 1
Insertname, Town-Aligned "Hau" Virgin, killed Night 2
Dean, Independent "Lusamine" Bullet Proof Serial Killer, lynched Day 3
Corvid, Independent "Gumshoos" Lyncher turned Survivor, modkilled Day 4
Windkeeper, Mafia "Alolan Persian" Mafia Traitor/2-shot Vanillariser lynched Day 4
Spacejam, Mafia "Plumeria" Hooker lynched Day 5
Dean (Duon), Town-Alligned "Turtonator" Jailer, killed Night 5
Dean (Duon), Town-Alligned "Turtonator" Jailer, killed Day 6

Note:
Yudowat replaced Corvid Day 3
Dean replaced Duon Night 3
cAKE replaced Murkiri Day 4
Dean (Duon) revived Day 6

Rhyno 01/23/2017 11:50:20

Bijou

29+ tourneys

Wii U: ShadowRhyno

3DS: 0001-3329-7885

SpaceJam said:
@bijou
You seem to be acting town and trying to earn peoples trust. Pazx died night 1 so hopefully any protector roles this game (i assume there is at least 1) are smart this time round.

cj i've been reading how lachlan plays in other games and he sometimes appears as he doesn't want to play by not posting. like once he quick hammered himself iirc. I wouldn't mind hearing from him more other than "I hope someone else does all the work for me!"

Acting town is what everyone should be doing regardless of which alliance they have lol.

12/14/2016 03:20:22

LachlanF

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Wii U: lachlanfirth96

3DS: 0232-8657-5660

cjeccjec said:
Lachlan's seems to have a thing for voting autumn wind as well .-.

Tis True Vote: AutumnWind

I rarely know what to do day 1 as what really is there to say. I'm just not a Fan of Day 1.

12/14/2016 03:27:03

Bijou

29+ tourneys

Wii U: ShadowRhyno

3DS: 0001-3329-7885

Maribro said:
The voting information and interactions between people from any day are invaluable in late game for finding out who could be maf. It will be useful.

We can get just as much information late game by seeing which players were in favour of a no vote as we would be seeing which players voted to lynch. Except that we don't need to kill off a townie in the process.

To point it out again, I still think we should opt to lynch. But your reasoning here is flawed.

In regards to why I think we should opt to lynch it's simply because town can (mostly) only win by lynching mafia, hence we should maximise the number of lynches we do. But a lynch still needs to have reasoning behind it rather than just "it's day 1 and we have no info so let's pick at random"

12/14/2016 03:35:19

Maribro

188+ tourneys

Wii U: Oceanblue44

Bijou said:

Maribro said:
The voting information and interactions between people from any day are invaluable in late game for finding out who could be maf. It will be useful.

We can get just as much information late game by seeing which players were in favour of a no vote as we would be seeing which players voted to lynch. Except that we don't need to kill off a townie in the process.

To point it out again, I still think we should opt to lynch. But your reasoning here is flawed.

I mean okay but how are you going to determine what a no lynch vote actually represents? It's pretty obvious that a town lynch would contain some mafia behind it in votes. For example, I went back and checked the day 1 lynch and 3 out of the 4 mafia had voted to lynch Laggy + the Serial Killer. A lynch on scum would also likely contain votes from mafia, likely towards the end of the train like the Laggy train in the smash bros themed game. A no lynch wouldn't really contain any useful town vs anti town information imo and certainly wouldn't be as well patterned as a day 1 lynch.

12/14/2016 03:43:11

JEANS

84+ tourneys

Switch: SW-5485-9707-1496

if you guys want my opinion i think we should lynch day 1. we should get a Talley from town to do a no lynch or a lynch today and we do whatever majority is.

12/14/2016 03:53:26

Ben_Gold

201+ tourneys

Switch: SW-2890-3115-0043

Wii U: Benjamin01

Maribro I think stating that would've been put to better use if you said that later on in the game. Mafia will probably try to avoid any noticeable trends in who they vote for now, unless they get desperate.

I agree with hydro on the lynch day 1. Imo mafia would probably be more inclined to vote for a no lynch.. it gives mafia a free kill, and town is no better off than the day before.

I'm for a talley, but we'll get little information from a no lynch and we'll be a man down. All in fears of maybe lynching a power role, which shouldn't even happen if they actually defend themselves. It just doesn't seem worth it..

We'll see how the majority feels I guess

12/14/2016 04:12:00

Windkeeper0

1+ tourneys

Wii U: Windkeeper0

we don't really need to make a tally since if they just vote for no lynch and they have majority then it goes through anyway. It's the same as the majority of town wanting to lynch.

I'm definitely still pro lynch if we don't do it we will be worse off then last game day two, where we pretty much instantly killed of laggy with no information gathering and as I said before we will be wasting one of our kills.

12/14/2016 04:23:36

cjeccjec

311+ tourneys

Wii U: cjeccjec

3DS: 0018-1766-9226

If enough people vote for no lynch, then no lynch. Use the votes system.

But no one actually vote pls. Lynch is gud

hah windkeeper already said so :c

12/14/2016 04:27:22

Bijou

29+ tourneys

Wii U: ShadowRhyno

3DS: 0001-3329-7885

Incidentally I did a quick run through of the numbers on paper and because we have an odd number of players we're actually better off doing a lynch today.

I'll post calculations later, but the tl;dr is that we will have the same number of days to hit mafia whether we lynch today or not (assuming two kills per day and no extraneous third party kills).

At work at the moment and have soccer tonight so I'll try remember to do it after

12/14/2016 06:13:19

Insie

263+ tourneys

3DS: 1306-7615-5260

I didn't say that i wanted a no lynch i was simply stating that it would be nice to try it (hard to word)

12/14/2016 06:23:37

dean

81+ tourneys

Wii U: dean7599

3DS: 1435-4425-6023

Ok I feel that if we were to lynch one of the historically "weak" players then I'd go for Lachlan, he has said nothing more than stuff like "I'll post later" and "I don't really know what to do", I feel he might be lurking.

SpaceJam said:
@bijou
You seem to be acting town and trying to earn peoples trust. Pazx died night 1 so hopefully any protector roles this game (i assume there is at least 1) are smart this time round.

Am I the only one who thought this was a weird interaction?

If there are more power roles (not sure, there could possibly be many roles but not all of them will be "power") then there will equally be more mafia power roles that I for one would like to get rid of as quickly as possible. When Aero and I hosted Fire Emblem I think he tried to give mafia a vig..

I'm not sure it's perfectly safe to assume two deaths per day, I don't like to make assumptions but it is very likely there is at least one protective role and the possibility of additional killing roles exists that might come into play. So I don't think even/odd number of players really comes into whether we should lynch today or not.

12/14/2016 08:21:26

cjeccjec

311+ tourneys

Wii U: cjeccjec

3DS: 0018-1766-9226

I know last game both our protection roles didn't do anything. (Hah Woops my bad) I tell you right now there's someone I would protect so read up.

12/14/2016 08:58:50

Ghostbone

336+ tourneys

Wii U: FreeGothitelle

Mafia is only likely to want no lynch if their partner is one of the people being suggested as a lynch target.

Otherwise a day 1 lynch is great since it knocks out a townie

12/14/2016 09:13:22

Extra

494+ tourneys

Wii U: unwnded

weren't you interested in doing a no lynch earlier, ghost?

i'm cool with putting a bit more pressure on lachlan. last game it seemed like he did at least try to save himself so i wanna see more of that kinda stuff right off the bat instead of this "nah it's day 1 so i'm not gonna say anything lmao" nonsense. having read a good chunk of the fire emblem game as well makes me think that even if he is a townie he's probably gonna be confusing at best and outright detrimental at worst.

Vote: LachlanF

corvid's posts are so terrible it makes me wonder if the mafia faction would even let him make them LOL so honestly i'm less sus of him than a fair few people probably are. granted this is a bit of a metagamey reason.

before anyone else pushes this harder, i'd like to hear more from players like luminescent and murkiri; even if you guys don't think you have much that's too valuable to say, you're the newbies so i think it'd benefit us all if you spoke up rather than stayed quiet so we can get a better idea of your thoughts.

12/14/2016 09:42:30

ThatLaggyPerson

6+ tourneys

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Wii U: ThatLaggyPerson

if we start pressuring people now, we could get some leads. keep in mind that we have about 10 days to do something, could be less if people have plans.

12/14/2016 09:45:45

Extra

494+ tourneys

Wii U: unwnded

though technically i am a newbie as well to most people lol. least you can go check out how i played at the end of the last mafia. we didn't have much hope so i don't think i did too bad (though aside from the hydro shenanigans i kinda misread windkeeper pretty bad).

12/14/2016 09:47:21

Windkeeper0

1+ tourneys

Wii U: Windkeeper0

Ghostbone said:
Mafia is only likely to want no lynch if their partner is one of the people being suggested as a lynch target.

Otherwise a day 1 lynch is great since it knocks out a townie

You also have to consider that if the most anti town person is kept alive and they are not mafia, it will provide an easy person for the mafia to divert attention to later on.

12/14/2016 09:50:24

LuminousLucas

Windkeeper0 said:

You also have to consider that if the most anti town person is kept alive and they are not mafia, it will provide an easy person for the mafia to divert attention to later on.

So then we basically need everyone to speak up so it makes it easier for us to determine who is being anti town on purpose?

12/14/2016 09:54:35

Windkeeper0

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Wii U: Windkeeper0

Well I don't know about on purpose but some people in this game have made the same mistakes when playing each time becoming "naturally anti town" as someone put it before. I agree that everyone needs to speak up though.

12/14/2016 10:00:20

dean

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3DS: 1435-4425-6023

@moderator can I have a look at the last post times for our players? I'd check myself but my computer started making strange noises it'll probably blow up or something

12/14/2016 10:02:23

Luminescent

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Wii U: Clintofskie

3DS: 4640-0397-9717

Okay reading through this and how people have structured their sentences, I'm beginning to build my suspicions. You know this probably is me being inexperienced in mafia, because I think a day 1 lynch is bad for town (and I still do a little bit) but this is probably just from my experiences with Town of Salem where every single town member is important and not to be lynched because statistically wise, it's good for town.

I've probably just contradicted myself with what I've said. People have said that town's biggest strength is discussion and voting power, and how are we going to have that when we have possibly randomly lynched a town member day 1. That's one less contribution and one less vote to lynch mafia during the day phase.

I have also seen the argument of "bad, useless or weak" town members. Maybe it would be best to lynch them as mafia would be more inclined to kill the players who are contributing to the discussion the most and leave the weak players to suffer from the constant accusing and mob hysteria.

I'm still against a day 1 random lynch, and will need some extra convincing to cast a vote. I will be watching for some weak responses from people too and cast my votes accordingly.

Also, Who is this fraudulent "Lumi" from NSW? I will find you. and f tilt you with the foot hitbox,

12/14/2016 10:09:59

Rhyno

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@dean, I'll be sending warnings to people tomorrow about 11PM since I was waiting on Ghosts first post. I'll have a look through posts now though.

12/14/2016 10:11:57

LuminousLucas

Luminescent said:
Okay reading through this and how people have structured their sentences, I'm beginning to build my suspicions. You know this probably is me being inexperienced in mafia, because I think a day 1 lynch is bad for town (and I still do a little bit) but this is probably just from my experiences with Town of Salem where every single town member is important and not to be lynched because statistically wise, it's good for town.

I've probably just contradicted myself with what I've said. People have said that town's biggest strength is discussion and voting power, and how are we going to have that when we have possibly randomly lynched a town member day 1. That's one less contribution and one less vote to lynch mafia during the day phase.

I have also seen the argument of "bad, useless or weak" town members. Maybe it would be best to lynch them as mafia would be more inclined to kill the players who are contributing to the discussion the most and leave the weak players to suffer from the constant accusing and mob hysteria.

I'm still against a day 1 random lynch, and will need some extra convincing to cast a vote. I will be watching for some weak responses from people too and cast my votes accordingly.
Also, Who is this fraudulent "Lumi" from NSW? I will find you. and f tilt you with the foot hitbox,

Some good words in there Luminescent.
I don't actually think the town is going for a 'random lynch' but more of a 'informed day 1 lynch'

We have quite a few days to pressure and gather info before making an educated decision based on reactions/behaviour so you have all the time you need to cast your vote.

12/14/2016 10:15:46

Rhyno

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@Dean, Autumnwind has not posted for 3 days, Corvid, Duon, JLo haven't posted since yesterday.

Murkiri Has made 2 posts but one was yesterday.

12/14/2016 10:17:48

Bijou

29+ tourneys

Wii U: ShadowRhyno

3DS: 0001-3329-7885

So okay here is the maths. Let's assume that there are about 4 mafia and that the town mis-lynches everyday + the mafia night kill every night:

No lynch day 1;
Day 1: 21 alive, 11 votes to lynch
Day 2: 20 alive, 10 votes to lynch
Day 3: 18 alive, 9 votes to lynch
Day 4: 16 alive, 8 votes to lynch
Day 5: 14 alive, 7 votes to lynch
Day 6: 12 alive, 6 votes to lynch
Day 7: 10 alive, 5 votes to lynch
Day 8: 4 mafia + 4 town = gameover

Lynch day 1;
Day 1: 21 alive, 11 to lynch
Day 2: 19 alive, 10 votes to lynch
Day 3: 17 alive, 9 votes to lynch
Day 4: 15 alive, 8 votes to lynch
Day 5: 13 alive, 7 votes to lynch
Day 6: 11 alive, 6 votes to lynch
Day 7: 9 alive, 5 votes to lynch. Mislynch = game over.

As you can see from the above, the only difference is the game will finish at the night 7 mafia kill compared to at the day 7 mislynch. Therefore the town will have a maximum of 7 lynches they can perform in either scenario. If there is no lynch day 1 this is reduced to 6 lynches total.

This of course does not allow for vigilante / serial killer kills, if town happen to lynch a mafia member, if any doctors perform successful saves, other power roles etc.

Anyway the point being that today we may as well use a lynch to be honest. The more times we lynch the more chances we have to hit mafia. Doing a no-lynch doesn't appear to give us any significant advantage.

12/14/2016 10:20:09

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