Question, If people get voted are they automatically lynched? Or do they have some time to defend themselves and then are voted Guilty/Innocent/Abstained?
12/14/2016 10:24:18
dean said:
SpaceJam said:Am I the only one who thought this was a weird interaction?
@bijou
You seem to be acting town and trying to earn peoples trust. Pazx died night 1 so hopefully any protector roles this game (i assume there is at least 1) are smart this time round.
No, I thought it was strange too. Hence my snarky reply to it.
Luminescent said:
Question, If people get voted are they automatically lynched? Or do they have some time to defend themselves and then are voted Guilty/Innocent/Abstained?
If the number of votes hits 11 they are lynched immediately. They have up until the last person votes on them to defend themselves.
12/14/2016 10:25:09
Luminescent said:If a majority is reached then nothing can stop the lynch.
Question, If people get voted are they automatically lynched? Or do they have some time to defend themselves and then are voted Guilty/Innocent/Abstained?
12/14/2016 10:25:35
Okay, thanks guys
12/14/2016 10:28:31
12/14/2016 10:28:31
Maribro said:
I mean okay but how are you going to determine what a no lynch vote actually represents? It's pretty obvious that a town lynch would contain some mafia behind it in votes. For example, I went back and checked the day 1 lynch and 3 out of the 4 mafia had voted to lynch Laggy + the Serial Killer. A lynch on scum would also likely contain votes from mafia, likely towards the end of the train like the Laggy train in the smash bros themed game. A no lynch wouldn't really contain any useful town vs anti town information imo and certainly wouldn't be as well patterned as a day 1 lynch.
Mafia just want to get the game to hit night phase, so choosing to no vote would be the same level of evidence as voting someone off. Let's say there was a no vote, you might go back and find that 3 of the 4 mafia (assuming those are the numbers this game) chose to no vote.
The flip side of this too is that mafia want to hit night as soon as possible, so if the town is considering a no vote this could inadvertently cause mafia players to show too many cards too early and give themselves up by pressuring town into voting before time is up.
But yeah this is hypothetical. Check my post at the bottom of page 8 to see why I think a lynch should be done anyway.
12/14/2016 10:33:06
Nah that's cool Bijou, I already think we should stick with a lynch and what you said on page 8 already reaffirmed that. Although I see what you mean about Mafia trying to push night phase early, i think that I would take a much more passive approach to a no lynch if I was maf. In any case, after my first couple of games of mafia where I was trying to feel out how to play as townie, I've always been pretty much in favour of lynching day 1. I just don't see how it would benefit town to go ahead into night phase with little to go off of. I mean, even just going through all this discussion, it's going to help power roles pick out who they want to target anyway.
At least most of us are in agreement that we should lynch now anyways so I should stop harking on about this. I can see Lachlan as a decent lynch day 1 but then we kinda fall into that repeating trap that Dean mentioned where all town does is lynch negative utilities/not great players and learns nothing in the process.
I can see a little bit of pressure being put on Spacejam atm so I'd be interested to hear a little more from him. Could possibly be trying to breadcrumb like he did last game but if he is he obviously hasn't learnt his lesson from that. Also it'd be great if everyone that hasn't posted recently did. We can't have a half decent game if people refuse to post.
12/14/2016 10:48:23
At least most of us are in agreement that we should lynch now anyways so I should stop harking on about this. I can see Lachlan as a decent lynch day 1 but then we kinda fall into that repeating trap that Dean mentioned where all town does is lynch negative utilities/not great players and learns nothing in the process.
I can see a little bit of pressure being put on Spacejam atm so I'd be interested to hear a little more from him. Could possibly be trying to breadcrumb like he did last game but if he is he obviously hasn't learnt his lesson from that. Also it'd be great if everyone that hasn't posted recently did. We can't have a half decent game if people refuse to post.
12/14/2016 10:48:23
I'm all for the day 1 lynch, regardless of who it is, as it would overall just give us more information than if we went for a NL D1.
Also it might be super hypocritical of my but seeing people put in less of Ann effort to help town like duon and murkiri gives us rather safe options for day 1 lynch if we do go for that option
12/14/2016 11:10:05
Also it might be super hypocritical of my but seeing people put in less of Ann effort to help town like duon and murkiri gives us rather safe options for day 1 lynch if we do go for that option
12/14/2016 11:10:05
Maribro said:At least most of us are in agreement that we should lynch now anyways so I should stop harking on about this. I can see Lachlan as a decent lynch day 1 but then we kinda fall into that repeating trap that Dean mentioned where all town does is lynch negative utilities/not great players and learns nothing in the process.If you really feel that Lachlan is mafia then you shouldn't let this dissuade you.
12/14/2016 11:45:52
dean said:
Maribro said:At least most of us are in agreement that we should lynch now anyways so I should stop harking on about this. I can see Lachlan as a decent lynch day 1 but then we kinda fall into that repeating trap that Dean mentioned where all town does is lynch negative utilities/not great players and learns nothing in the process.If you really feel that Lachlan is mafia then you shouldn't let this dissuade you.
I wouldn't let it man. Based off what I've seen from Lachlan he just seems to be doing his usual thing of posting short, meaningless posts that are hard to make any meaning of rather than being insightful like last time. I don't really think he's mafia based off what little I've seen from him this game but if he ends up doing what he did in the FE game all over (my hopes aren't high given the quality of posts thus far) I wouldn't be against lynching him just so he doesn't tell town misinformation.
12/14/2016 12:00:20
So have we all agreed on a lynch? Also ill admit im having a hard time staying motivated with day 1, it's a pretty boring day.
12/14/2016 12:02:56
12/14/2016 12:02:56
I'm gonna go ahead and vote Spacejam cos he's been a tad suss this game so far and I also would rather avoid another scenario where I get lynched by one of Dale's stupid powers backfiring. Vote: spacejam
12/14/2016 12:03:33
12/14/2016 12:03:33
is spacejam generally considered a "good" player? i had a look through his post history and last game day 1 all his posts were just various forms of 'laggy sucks/lynch laggy'.
12/14/2016 12:52:20
12/14/2016 12:52:20
I find it hard to believe that there is a nine page day one but here we are.
I think calling suss activity on day one seems like more of a read to me. Anyone could say one small thing and someone else could find it suspicious. Everyones anxious on day one and people try to avoid getting lynched day one as much as possible, so mistakes could be made.
I think lynching Corvid is the safest tactic. Doesn't seem very useful, and obviously has his history of inactivity. Other lynches I would be down for are Lachlan/Laggy (although I think Laggy deserves atleast one day to try and not balls up) Spacejams another possibility, and while I'm not too convinced on the argument for it, I'd follow pier pressure and take him out if it came to that.
Pro Day 1 lynch, especially with odd numbers. I'd rather not wait till Christmas for day 2
12/14/2016 15:41:15
I think calling suss activity on day one seems like more of a read to me. Anyone could say one small thing and someone else could find it suspicious. Everyones anxious on day one and people try to avoid getting lynched day one as much as possible, so mistakes could be made.
I think lynching Corvid is the safest tactic. Doesn't seem very useful, and obviously has his history of inactivity. Other lynches I would be down for are Lachlan/Laggy (although I think Laggy deserves atleast one day to try and not balls up) Spacejams another possibility, and while I'm not too convinced on the argument for it, I'd follow pier pressure and take him out if it came to that.
Pro Day 1 lynch, especially with odd numbers. I'd rather not wait till Christmas for day 2
12/14/2016 15:41:15
I'd also like day 1 not to go to Christmas. That would be nice.
12/14/2016 21:29:48
12/14/2016 21:29:48
"Not Voted (12) - Duon, Windkeeper, Ghostbone, MrL, Invisi, Luminescent, LuminousLucas, Autumnwind, HydroPimp, Bijou, Murkiri, Corvid"
ONLY YOU CAN SAVE CHRISTMAS
Where did AutumnWind go? I think he said he had Taekwondo on Thursdays so might not hear from him today either.
12/14/2016 22:03:00
ONLY YOU CAN SAVE CHRISTMAS
Where did AutumnWind go? I think he said he had Taekwondo on Thursdays so might not hear from him today either.
12/14/2016 22:03:00
Autumnwind and Murkiri have until 11pm tonight until their first inactivity warning, if someone could tell them that would be great.
12/14/2016 22:59:32
12/14/2016 22:59:32
I'm on board for voting Corvid tbh.
Seems too keen to just vote off anybody "regardless of who it is"
On the other hand, Dean threw the first vote which could have been an attempt to start a lynch train (and if anyone accuses you, just claim you were memeing).
Corvid voted right after tho so I'm more inclined to throw a vote his way.
12/14/2016 23:38:07
Seems too keen to just vote off anybody "regardless of who it is"
On the other hand, Dean threw the first vote which could have been an attempt to start a lynch train (and if anyone accuses you, just claim you were memeing).
Corvid voted right after tho so I'm more inclined to throw a vote his way.
12/14/2016 23:38:07
Hello everyone, I'm alive. I'm gonna start reading what's been happening soon.
12/15/2016 00:27:33
12/15/2016 00:27:33
I really have no idea who to vote for because it's day 1. But I suppose I have to save Christmas...
Vote: Autumnwind
He wasn't super helpful last game and survived to the end so I don't feel as mean voting for him as I would for Laggy/LachlanF.
By the way, I'm going to be super busy with tournament stuff this weekend. Driving up to Newcastle tomorrow for a Saturday tournament, then driving back home and running another tournament on Sunday. Please don't strike me for inactivity I'll post again on Monday. =) Oh he posted as I was writing that haha. I'll wait to hear what he has to say before I decide whether to change my vote.
12/15/2016 00:49:33
Vote: Autumnwind
He wasn't super helpful last game and survived to the end so I don't feel as mean voting for him as I would for Laggy/LachlanF.
By the way, I'm going to be super busy with tournament stuff this weekend. Driving up to Newcastle tomorrow for a Saturday tournament, then driving back home and running another tournament on Sunday. Please don't strike me for inactivity I'll post again on Monday. =) Oh he posted as I was writing that haha. I'll wait to hear what he has to say before I decide whether to change my vote.
12/15/2016 00:49:33
Just finished reading everything. I think that we shouldn't lynch Day 1. It only helps Mafia, assuming we lynch a Townie which is most likely to happen. I know this contradicts what I was saying earlier on, but we should just look at player interactions, what people are saying and the behavior that they are exhibiting. I really had no idea what I was talking about earlier. Day 1 really isn't my thing, but other players have convinced me that the best option is to not lynch anyone today. Lets not make the same mistakes we made last time.
12/15/2016 00:50:37
12/15/2016 00:50:37
Dead and stale memes aside. No lynch is bad. Because I'm fairly confident, based on what others have said, that it won't change us going into lylo any earlier. If we get rid of a historically weak player (or anyone), we will be better off late game because there is one less town, increasing our chance of hitting mafia. Also we won't have to deal with them .-. In saying that, I don't want to lynch a historically weak player just because they are weak. As hard of a read as it is on day 1, I'd rather lynch a player that has mafia vibes (and is historically weak if that can be arranged).
12/15/2016 01:01:56
It's a legitimate statistic that Town wins more often with no lynch Day 1. Having someone make a stupid post every now and then because they're bad at the game isn't as bad as losing a probable member of the Town. We should wait until we have enough information so that we can make an educated guess.
12/15/2016 02:03:13
12/15/2016 02:03:13
I think it's suspicious enough that as soon as I bring up Duon being an easy Day 1 lynch he says the same for me. I'm not saying it isn't true but I believe a lot of us should think about it.
Again all I really did try to do when I just went for Bijou first thing was to try and gain some information, something that in itself is rather hard to get day 1.
12/15/2016 02:25:46
Again all I really did try to do when I just went for Bijou first thing was to try and gain some information, something that in itself is rather hard to get day 1.
12/15/2016 02:25:46
Saving Xmas is a mafia aligned strat. Don't feel obliged to hurry this day along just because the mod is getting bored lol.
AutumnWind, if you'll read my post at the end of page 8 you will see that we should do a vote today if possible. To all you people saying you can't gather any more information day 1 and that we should start voting now, try harder please lol.
We've already gathered plenty of useful information this day already and the longer the day goes the more info we will get.
12/15/2016 02:30:59
AutumnWind, if you'll read my post at the end of page 8 you will see that we should do a vote today if possible. To all you people saying you can't gather any more information day 1 and that we should start voting now, try harder please lol.
We've already gathered plenty of useful information this day already and the longer the day goes the more info we will get.
12/15/2016 02:30:59
Invisi said:Thinking about this a bit more, I believe this to be the best choice, so I may as well start the train.
Others have commented that town is likely to have a large number of power roles. If that is actually true, then a no lynch day 1 might actually be our best option, because 1) the chances of hitting a power town role day 1 are fairly high and 2) the chances of town gathering useful info during the first night are reasonable.
Vote: No Lynch
Others have put solid arguments in favour of a lynch, and obviously there's merit in continued discussion of potential lynch candidates. If you guys decide to go ahead and lynch someone, that's perfectly understandable. But when I think about it with the reasoning above, I think a no lynch is probably the best option for the first night. By the way Bijou, your post on page 8 is not very helpful.
Firstly, it assumes that there are four mafia, which could very easily be wrong. In fact, if (as has been suggested) there are more power roles in this game, it's probably been balanced out with 1-2 extra mafia players compared to last game.
Secondly, it assumes only one killing party, which is almost definitely wrong. I'm at least 99% certain there's a serial killer in this game. With 20 people it wouldn't make sense for there not to be. We thought there might not be one last game because of night kill info, and look how well that panned out for us.
12/15/2016 02:44:34