Can I get a irl session?
01/11/2015 13:50:39
I guess so.
See you on the 25th!
01/11/2015 13:55:52
See you on the 25th!
01/11/2015 13:55:52
What's on the 25th
01/11/2015 14:08:48
01/11/2015 14:08:48
Church if you're a christian kappa
01/11/2015 14:10:09
01/11/2015 14:10:09
If you're doing this for free you should make any reports publicly available.
There are a lot of people who like to discuss with a certain "reflective" theory but not many people who write up their ideas and comments on more of a specific / situational basis (like the kind of input you'd get from watching an active streamer).
Just an idea!
01/12/2015 03:21:38
There are a lot of people who like to discuss with a certain "reflective" theory but not many people who write up their ideas and comments on more of a specific / situational basis (like the kind of input you'd get from watching an active streamer).
Just an idea!
01/12/2015 03:21:38
Arby said:Yeah of course, all my advice will be given in this thread for others to read.
If you're doing this for free you should make any reports publicly available.
There are a lot of people who like to discuss with a certain "reflective" theory but not many people who write up their ideas and comments on more of a specific / situational basis (like the kind of input you'd get from watching an active streamer).
Just an idea!
I'm pretty excited about this, I can't wait to play Omta today, Maribro tomorrow and mat7772 on Wednesday.
01/12/2015 03:43:11
Hey Aero, how is 10:30/11am WA time for you tomorrow?
01/12/2015 04:13:54
01/12/2015 04:13:54
Maribro said:That's good for me Omta I'll be on in 10 mins?
Hey Aero, how is 10:30/11am WA time for you tomorrow?
01/12/2015 07:50:19
Aerodrome said:
Maribro said:That's good for me Omta I'll be on in 10 mins?
Hey Aero, how is 10:30/11am WA time for you tomorrow?
I hope you are ready for a lot of things to say about my play because I have just been completely dismembered by V
01/12/2015 07:51:04
V is one of Melbourne's top players so don't let it get you down too much.
01/12/2015 07:57:45
01/12/2015 07:57:45
I'm good to go, got a room open. Any preference to stock count?
01/12/2015 08:04:21
01/12/2015 08:04:21
I don't think you ever liked how I play so am I eligible?
01/12/2015 08:03:49
01/12/2015 08:03:49
Omta said:Three preferred.
I'm good to go, got a room open. Any preference to stock count?
Switching game on now.
01/12/2015 08:04:59
Thanks Aero, I look forward to hearing about all my flaws. Don't go gentle or anything, I know I'm shit.
01/12/2015 08:47:58
01/12/2015 08:47:58
Alright Omta here's a few things I picked up on:
Recovery: Ok this one is something that you will learn as you play more but you're screwing up a lot of your recoveries by either missing entirely or overshooting the ledge. I can't give you any specific advice for this because I don't play DK, but the decision to recover high or low should be dependent on where you opponent is. If your opponent is a stage away, you can recover how you like, but if they're close, you NEED to sweetspot the ledge.
Staying on the ledge too long: Once your invincibility is up you need to be looking to move off the ledge or else you will die. I saw you learning this in the Charizard vs DK match, where I almost got numerous fsmashes on you. It also happened on the last stock of Halberd but I doubt you expected that.
Side B: Don't use it, it's bad. You kept getting punished for hitting me with it.
OoS options: I noticed you were struggling to hit me OoS against some very punishable moves, one move that DK has that's VERY good OoS is up b, you used it sometimes randomly but not out of shield. It's a VERY strong punish and you should be looking to incorporate it into your gameplay!
Slight predictability in your attack patterns: One thing I noticed is that you go for the same juggles every single time. While I was playing Lucina and Charizard, I used options like Rock Smash, and Counter to punish these because I could see it coming from a mile away. If I wasn't using someone with a Counter, I just air dodged for free.
Ledge Options: You mustn't jump off the ledge and try to attack me with aerials, this will get you fsmashed 90% of the time because you're DK and Side B is terrible and Fair is terrible at what you're trying to make the move do.
DK specific stuff, I think you should be using nair more. You have a fairly good grasp of his on stage game and use his ground moves fairly effectively. I was quite surprised, at how strong your onstage game was in comparison to your offstage game.
01/12/2015 09:01:40
Recovery: Ok this one is something that you will learn as you play more but you're screwing up a lot of your recoveries by either missing entirely or overshooting the ledge. I can't give you any specific advice for this because I don't play DK, but the decision to recover high or low should be dependent on where you opponent is. If your opponent is a stage away, you can recover how you like, but if they're close, you NEED to sweetspot the ledge.
Staying on the ledge too long: Once your invincibility is up you need to be looking to move off the ledge or else you will die. I saw you learning this in the Charizard vs DK match, where I almost got numerous fsmashes on you. It also happened on the last stock of Halberd but I doubt you expected that.
Side B: Don't use it, it's bad. You kept getting punished for hitting me with it.
OoS options: I noticed you were struggling to hit me OoS against some very punishable moves, one move that DK has that's VERY good OoS is up b, you used it sometimes randomly but not out of shield. It's a VERY strong punish and you should be looking to incorporate it into your gameplay!
Slight predictability in your attack patterns: One thing I noticed is that you go for the same juggles every single time. While I was playing Lucina and Charizard, I used options like Rock Smash, and Counter to punish these because I could see it coming from a mile away. If I wasn't using someone with a Counter, I just air dodged for free.
Ledge Options: You mustn't jump off the ledge and try to attack me with aerials, this will get you fsmashed 90% of the time because you're DK and Side B is terrible and Fair is terrible at what you're trying to make the move do.
DK specific stuff, I think you should be using nair more. You have a fairly good grasp of his on stage game and use his ground moves fairly effectively. I was quite surprised, at how strong your onstage game was in comparison to your offstage game.
01/12/2015 09:01:40
Sweet thanks for the advice. My recovering was so bad for most of that, I just felt like no matter what I tried you had it covered on reaction.
And that Bowser Bomb kill on the ledge was godlike 0_0
01/12/2015 09:30:35
And that Bowser Bomb kill on the ledge was godlike 0_0
01/12/2015 09:30:35
Hmm, I'd love critical feedback, but I doubt I meet the criteria.
01/12/2015 10:21:03
01/12/2015 10:21:03
Omta said:No worries, fix your recovery issues and you'll be a fairly strong player imo.
Sweet thanks for the advice. My recovering was so bad for most of that, I just felt like no matter what I tried you had it covered on reaction.
And that Bowser Bomb kill on the ledge was godlike 0_0
The Bowser Bomb was just me predicting an overshoot from DK's relatively mediocre recovery.
Seracain said:You're more than welcome to join. But the amount of feedback I give is dependent on how good or bad you are. Basically if I can't play on the same level that you play, there's increasingly less of a chance that I'll be able to identify and expose flaws in your gameplay.
Hmm, I'd love critical feedback, but I doubt I meet the criteria.
01/12/2015 13:43:17
Pretty keen for my lesson tomorrow, Aero. Excited to improve my game so I can play better against you guys.
01/12/2015 14:03:37
01/12/2015 14:03:37
In about 10 mins Maribro?
I was meant to play Jett but he disappeared into For Glory.
Edit: Oh, 10:30, 30 mins then
01/13/2015 01:56:19
I was meant to play Jett but he disappeared into For Glory.
Edit: Oh, 10:30, 30 mins then
01/13/2015 01:56:19
Hey Aero I am ready when you are
I will open a room, join when you are available. Can we please just forget that SD in the Pac Mirror ever happened >_<
01/13/2015 02:57:34
I will open a room, join when you are available. Can we please just forget that SD in the Pac Mirror ever happened >_<
01/13/2015 02:57:34
Small write-up inc.
01/13/2015 03:15:42
01/13/2015 03:15:42
Good games dude, that was fun thanks
01/13/2015 03:16:12
01/13/2015 03:16:12
Landing in front of me: This is a fairly big one, but I've noticed that when you run out of stage room or get launched you land in front of my a lot. You really can't do this since it will get you killed or you'll take 15%+ from either a grab or smash attack. When you've run out of room on the stage, unless you can bait something with a jump or projectile, you need to go for the ledge.
Recovery: Not as big as the others, but I noticed sometimes you don't sweetspot the ledge. This is important, because otherwise you get Bowser fsmashed and die.
Being Camped: This one is HUGE, you need to learn some safe approach options when people steal your fruit. The Sheik vs Pac-man game was a prime example. At one point I thought you were about to afk or something, but I think you were just really lost when I took your fruit and kept it.
In this situation, Needles, Ftilt, Fish and Vanish beat all of your options. You want to look for an opportunity to get me off stage or otherwise force me to drop the fruit. That game was a really easy win for me if I just kept camping. I think you understood the lesson though after a few minutes so I went back to playing like normal and not like a gaffot.
Staying on ledges too long: Another big one, but you need to look to get off ledges when your invincibility runs out. Prime example, the game I three stocked you in as Bowser vs Pac-man, I dedicated that match primarily to punishing your recovery attempts and your incessant need to sit on ledges. All 3 of your KOs were on ledges. You started to learn but became predictable again, so it was only a matter of time before I started punishing your ledge rolls too.
01/13/2015 03:30:26
Recovery: Not as big as the others, but I noticed sometimes you don't sweetspot the ledge. This is important, because otherwise you get Bowser fsmashed and die.
Being Camped: This one is HUGE, you need to learn some safe approach options when people steal your fruit. The Sheik vs Pac-man game was a prime example. At one point I thought you were about to afk or something, but I think you were just really lost when I took your fruit and kept it.
In this situation, Needles, Ftilt, Fish and Vanish beat all of your options. You want to look for an opportunity to get me off stage or otherwise force me to drop the fruit. That game was a really easy win for me if I just kept camping. I think you understood the lesson though after a few minutes so I went back to playing like normal and not like a gaffot.
Staying on ledges too long: Another big one, but you need to look to get off ledges when your invincibility runs out. Prime example, the game I three stocked you in as Bowser vs Pac-man, I dedicated that match primarily to punishing your recovery attempts and your incessant need to sit on ledges. All 3 of your KOs were on ledges. You started to learn but became predictable again, so it was only a matter of time before I started punishing your ledge rolls too.
01/13/2015 03:30:26
Yeah recovering is something Im struggling at doing in general at the moment, whether it being killing myself in a really dumb way, not sweetspotting the ledge, going too far and landing right in front of people, its all been pretty bad in general lately.
What would you recommend for dealing with camping? Its something I struggle with in A LOT of matchups like Ness, Villager, the Links, etc. and I often lose matches just because I have no idea what the hell I am meant to do. I honestly dont see Pac having any safe and non choreographed approach options tbh so any input would be appreciated.
With ledges, I again dont see what options I have because every time I try something I die or get punished. Im usually trying to bait something out but you can just sit there and shield and anything I do from the ledge will get me punished. Again, any recommendations because Im seriously struggling to see what I can do.
Finally, anything I do well?
Thanks for all the input man, I will look at working on my game before the next time we play.
01/13/2015 04:17:39
What would you recommend for dealing with camping? Its something I struggle with in A LOT of matchups like Ness, Villager, the Links, etc. and I often lose matches just because I have no idea what the hell I am meant to do. I honestly dont see Pac having any safe and non choreographed approach options tbh so any input would be appreciated.
With ledges, I again dont see what options I have because every time I try something I die or get punished. Im usually trying to bait something out but you can just sit there and shield and anything I do from the ledge will get me punished. Again, any recommendations because Im seriously struggling to see what I can do.
Finally, anything I do well?
Thanks for all the input man, I will look at working on my game before the next time we play.
01/13/2015 04:17:39