I just want to add my two cents on the whole Corvid is SK theory.
I myself whenever I have played as SK just kill a random target Night 1.
But ultimately the SK's goal is to kill everyone. So if the SK was smart they would kill someone that would result in suspicion thrown towards another player. If that was the case, it would point to Corvid not being the SK (IF the SK is smart) because MrL had his conflicts with Corvid.
In my opinion I'd rather not lynch Corvid who could potentially be town when we still have many town members left and hopefully one is a cop or has investigative abilities and can investigate him tonight for proof.
I also believe Murkiri and Insertname are town considering how early in the game they came out as masons. If they were both mafia they would risk potential cops on them in the next night.
I agree with Invisi's statements on Hydropimp honestly. I haven't gone through previous mafia games to learn player styles so if someone can shed some "light" (HAH!) on me, that'd be great. But I just have a bad feeling about his contributions, they seem really rude and anti-town to me. Like when Murkiri came out as town "I'm afraid Murkiri will just use this as an excuse to never talk and add anything to the town. So it isn't exactly great news but i guess it's alright." That's a bit of a presumption because It's his first game (I think) so how can you know that? and also how he voted up Lachlan because "he is a troll" and even how he reacted after the lynch seemed very anti-town (or probably just anti-Lachlan).
Also his first reaction to Invisi voting him is "why are you voting for me?" followed by "Invisi you still havn't explained why you have a vote on me." and I'm just saying in my experience this is USUALLY the first reaction to pressure when you are an evil role (I know it is definitely mine). So for these reasons i will:
Vote: Hydropimp
8 years ago
Insert I wouldn't be worried about saying you have some sort of power-role. It's basically confirmed every town person has a role of some degree so don't worry about revealing that you have just -something-.
Incidentally Roleblocker doesn't stop a Strongman kill. So what are we saying that happened here? A third party killed a mafia member and at the same time a random mafia member got roleblocked who just so happened to perform the kill and that the mafia didn't use their strongman?
To be honest if this is the case then if there was hypothetically a roleblocker then they would have a very good idea who another member of the mafia is. However no-one seems to have any strong leads anywhere and no one is applying any solid pressure anywhere yet. I feel like we're on the wrong path here.
I'll go back through Mr L's posts and see if I can draw any connections anywhere.
8 years ago
Incidentally Roleblocker doesn't stop a Strongman kill. So what are we saying that happened here? A third party killed a mafia member and at the same time a random mafia member got roleblocked who just so happened to perform the kill and that the mafia didn't use their strongman?
To be honest if this is the case then if there was hypothetically a roleblocker then they would have a very good idea who another member of the mafia is. However no-one seems to have any strong leads anywhere and no one is applying any solid pressure anywhere yet. I feel like we're on the wrong path here.
I'll go back through Mr L's posts and see if I can draw any connections anywhere.
8 years ago
A mafia team usually has the same player perform the kills through the game to minimise damage Watchers can cause. It should be likely that MrL was the one killing last night.
So either
1) He didn't use Strongman (fair enough, Night 1, no real leads on roles/players mafia would want eliminated right away)
B) He targeted a Commuter
III) Bus driver redirected his strongman back onto himself
8 years ago
So either
1) He didn't use Strongman (fair enough, Night 1, no real leads on roles/players mafia would want eliminated right away)
B) He targeted a Commuter
III) Bus driver redirected his strongman back onto himself
8 years ago
I assume most people will be busy tomorrow, so I figure getting any discussion happening (looks like it is already occurring) is beneficial.
Reading the posts page 19 onward I'll list the main things I would like to look at more in depth.
I can agree with this, I think this role would have been dramatically better as the game went on (obviously). Getting only 1 "Vanilla" role back and everything else being a Power Role would mean that the Vanilla role would most likely be SK, and getting only 1 PR back and everything else being Vanilla would also be extremely beneficial.
YOU DID THIS TO US. Jk I'm all for banning Lachlan from future games.
The Bijou/Insert interaction
"Hey I was masoned with, ps im vanilla"
"I dont think thats true"
"Okay I have a role"
If what Duon said is true then Insert wouldn't have folded so easily or said something that stupid? I don't see a reason to claim anything role based at that point in time? However since he has claimed to be mason-ed with at the moment, (I have no reason to doubt it) any investigation role would be a nice two for one. Could be the biggest bluff in Mafia ever?
QLDLumi raises a few good points on Hydro, but does he generally post random stuff when he is pressured? He just seems to be brushing of pressure.
Bijou, you mention a roleblocker but it could also have been a guardian role? I feel like it would be easier to guess a guardian role rather than roleblock correctly. I can try to explain my reasoning in more depth if you want. The main point I was trying to say was that we might still have no idea who a mafia member is.
8 years ago
Reading the posts page 19 onward I'll list the main things I would like to look at more in depth.
dean said:
Random thought: those players thinking Lachlan had a useful role at the start of Day 2 might be town, as I think a mafia team would tell each other that Vanilla Cop would probably be not helpful.
I can agree with this, I think this role would have been dramatically better as the game went on (obviously). Getting only 1 "Vanilla" role back and everything else being a Power Role would mean that the Vanilla role would most likely be SK, and getting only 1 PR back and everything else being Vanilla would also be extremely beneficial.
Invisi
As much as I was advocating for him in the pre-game, every game he just gives up as soon as the town bandwagons on him, which is no fun for anyone.
YOU DID THIS TO US. Jk I'm all for banning Lachlan from future games.
The Bijou/Insert interaction
"Hey I was masoned with, ps im vanilla"
"I dont think thats true"
"Okay I have a role"
If what Duon said is true then Insert wouldn't have folded so easily or said something that stupid? I don't see a reason to claim anything role based at that point in time? However since he has claimed to be mason-ed with at the moment, (I have no reason to doubt it) any investigation role would be a nice two for one. Could be the biggest bluff in Mafia ever?
QLDLumi raises a few good points on Hydro, but does he generally post random stuff when he is pressured? He just seems to be brushing of pressure.
Bijou, you mention a roleblocker but it could also have been a guardian role? I feel like it would be easier to guess a guardian role rather than roleblock correctly. I can try to explain my reasoning in more depth if you want. The main point I was trying to say was that we might still have no idea who a mafia member is.
8 years ago
At this stage I believe insert and murkiri are telling the truth about being in a mason together. If they're lying it's very easy for an investigation role to check them during the night phase anyway and if they don't come up clean we essentially know who two more of the mafia are.
Insert just wanted to hide the fact he had a role, but I called him out on this because it is inconsistent with what we have learned so far as a town. Wanting to hide that you have a role is natural and I don't think it discredits their claim of masoning in any way.
What is the guardian role you are referring to Dale? I did a wiki search but all I could find was a page of some bad player who goes by the name 'Guardian'.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Guardian I suppose by guardian role you mean things like doctors etc?
8 years ago
Insert just wanted to hide the fact he had a role, but I called him out on this because it is inconsistent with what we have learned so far as a town. Wanting to hide that you have a role is natural and I don't think it discredits their claim of masoning in any way.
What is the guardian role you are referring to Dale? I did a wiki search but all I could find was a page of some bad player who goes by the name 'Guardian'.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Guardian I suppose by guardian role you mean things like doctors etc?
8 years ago
wow remember all the way back on page 4 or something when i pointed out that hydro is one of those 'naturally suspicious' players and always acts like a shit when defending himself and thus ends up being lynched a lot? anyone remember that? no? ok.
insert/murkiri being mafia and claiming masons is statistically a horrible choice. if one of them dies to SK they could be down to 1 or 2 mafia (i don't think there's more than 5 in this game personally, any more would be unreasonable even with good roles) by the end of day 3 leaving mafia in an awful position. i don't think losing a strongman would mean mafia would make such a risky gambit at this point.
it really comes down to whether people think we should make a riskier play (lynching a potential 'good' player) or just taking a safer bet (lynching a 'bad' player). honestly, at this stage in the game with one mafia member dead i'm not as averse to going after another 'bad' player as compared to say, last game, it'd probably matter less. however we are supposed to be killing the bad guys and not just the bad players. as such i'll take the middle ground and vote for someone i think could potentially be mafia.
Vote: cjeccjec
i really get bad vibes about how this guy is playing. seems like he's taking an aero-from-last-game approach to an extent where he throws accusations around and/or jumps on bandwagons (notably one of those players to bandwagon on the arsonist thing), but unvotes when other people place votes on them so he can seem less suspicious and hope it takes off without him. also seems to echo a lot of the more pro-town players; obviously this can be taken two ways but i see it as him being bad rather than good.
8 years ago
insert/murkiri being mafia and claiming masons is statistically a horrible choice. if one of them dies to SK they could be down to 1 or 2 mafia (i don't think there's more than 5 in this game personally, any more would be unreasonable even with good roles) by the end of day 3 leaving mafia in an awful position. i don't think losing a strongman would mean mafia would make such a risky gambit at this point.
it really comes down to whether people think we should make a riskier play (lynching a potential 'good' player) or just taking a safer bet (lynching a 'bad' player). honestly, at this stage in the game with one mafia member dead i'm not as averse to going after another 'bad' player as compared to say, last game, it'd probably matter less. however we are supposed to be killing the bad guys and not just the bad players. as such i'll take the middle ground and vote for someone i think could potentially be mafia.
Vote: cjeccjec
i really get bad vibes about how this guy is playing. seems like he's taking an aero-from-last-game approach to an extent where he throws accusations around and/or jumps on bandwagons (notably one of those players to bandwagon on the arsonist thing), but unvotes when other people place votes on them so he can seem less suspicious and hope it takes off without him. also seems to echo a lot of the more pro-town players; obviously this can be taken two ways but i see it as him being bad rather than good.
8 years ago
Fair point, I'm doing family things so I don't have all that much time to respond arm. However, quickly, in my defence all of my decisions and votes were well reasoned. I didn't randomise things.
As for the last point a lot of my decisions are influenced off other players and how I interpret their points. I'm not an ideas by nature so that's just how I play the game, especially still being a new player. Atm*
8 years ago
As for the last point a lot of my decisions are influenced off other players and how I interpret their points. I'm not an ideas by nature so that's just how I play the game, especially still being a new player. Atm*
8 years ago
Honestly people putting suspicion on Insert/Murk are themselves acting very suspicious.
As has been said, it would be a huge blunder for mafia to attempt to claim mason this early, and any rolecop could easily out them both if they're lying.
It's generally mafia's goal to avoid anyone being confirmed townie, as it increases the chance they will be targeted. (Putting suspicion on them also increases the chance a cop will investigate them, if we have more cops, which is another night a potential mafia member avoids investigation)
8 years ago
As has been said, it would be a huge blunder for mafia to attempt to claim mason this early, and any rolecop could easily out them both if they're lying.
It's generally mafia's goal to avoid anyone being confirmed townie, as it increases the chance they will be targeted. (Putting suspicion on them also increases the chance a cop will investigate them, if we have more cops, which is another night a potential mafia member avoids investigation)
8 years ago
Aside from the Corvid = SK theory that's been discussed, there's not much to with atm, so I'd like to direct some attention to someone
Vote:ThatLaggyPerson
Having avoided getting memed out of day 1, his post contribution has been minimal and has just been hanging in the background. I'm getting the feeling that he's speaking just barely enough to be considered pro-town. I'm also not satisfied with the reasoning behind his multiple votes.
8 years ago
Vote:ThatLaggyPerson
Having avoided getting memed out of day 1, his post contribution has been minimal and has just been hanging in the background. I'm getting the feeling that he's speaking just barely enough to be considered pro-town. I'm also not satisfied with the reasoning behind his multiple votes.
8 years ago
Bijou said:
I suppose by guardian role you mean things like doctors etc?
Yes, I meant protection roles such as Doctors/Commuter/Babysitter. I don't really know the actual terms so I just said what felt correct at the time.
8 years ago
Luminescent said:
I agree with Invisi's statements on Hydropimp honestly. I haven't gone through previous mafia games to learn player styles so if someone can shed some "light" (HAH!) on me, that'd be great. But I just have a bad feeling about his contributions, they seem really rude and anti-town to me. Like when Murkiri came out as town "I'm afraid Murkiri will just use this as an excuse to never talk and add anything to the town. So it isn't exactly great news but i guess it's alright." That's a bit of a presumption because It's his first game (I think) so how can you know that? and also how he voted up Lachlan because "he is a troll" and even how he reacted after the lynch seemed very anti-town (or probably just anti-Lachlan).
Also his first reaction to Invisi voting him is "why are you voting for me?" followed by "Invisi you still havn't explained why you have a vote on me." and I'm just saying in my experience this is USUALLY the first reaction to pressure when you are an evil role (I know it is definitely mine). So for these reasons i will:
Vote: Hydropimp
Think about it form my perspective. I got voted for out of the blue and with no reasoning at all other than im 'sus'. what makes me sus? i hammered lachlan? the guy who hammers day 1 always looks 'sus'. So I wanted to know Invisi's reasoning for voting for me so i could better defend myself. Then the next time invisi posts he completely ignores me. If you vote for someone you should give reasoning and this is after being pointed out yet he still ignored me and said nothing. If you've ever gone to my twitter you know im rude on the internet so it's not abnormal behavior. The reason i said what i did about Murkiri was to just remind to still play even though he pretty much wont ever be under pressure now. This is his first game yes but if you look at what he did on day 1 you should understand my concern for him not participating. If you look at my hammer post i didnt just vote for Lachlan because he is a troll but also "this is the most boring mafia has ever been-". A reminder nobody knew if Lachlan was the bomb or some risky hammer role or whatever so why would mafia risk one of there members hammering him? Mafia would want a town member to lynch him for a free kill and not lose a member.
also just adding this.
dean said:
Random thought: those players thinking Lachlan had a useful role at the start of Day 2 might be town, as I think a mafia team would tell each other that Vanilla Cop would probably be not helpful. Could be feigning ignorance I suppose...
HydroPimp said:
wow that's a really good hit and no town died yay, though we did lose the cop so it isnt all great
I hope the formatting works
8 years ago
Hydro just kind of looks like he is up to no good all the time, there was one irl mafia game where the first thing that happened was Pudge saying Hydro looked suspicious and lynched him. With that being said Hydro could pull off a "Im always like this" claim.
"If you've ever gone to my twitter you know im rude on the internet so it's not abnormal behavior".
I've already explained why i said i was vanilla on page 20
8 years ago
"If you've ever gone to my twitter you know im rude on the internet so it's not abnormal behavior".
I've already explained why i said i was vanilla on page 20
8 years ago
I still think the SK theory is premeditated, if I was really the SK I wouldn't have chosen someone so obviously linked to myself.
8 years ago
8 years ago
Happy Xmas guys, will review the happenings in the thread sometime tomorrow
8 years ago
8 years ago
Activity post. Had a big Christmas will try n post something tonight.
8 years ago
8 years ago
First of all, I hope everyone had a merry Christmas. I'd just like to share my opinion on our current circumstances. The reason I haven't been posting is because of Christmas and because there wasn't much to say. I personally 100% believe that Insert and Murkuri are town. I also agree with what Luminescent said about Corvid. Like I was saying earlier, if the SK is any good at his role, he would choose to kill the person that would most likely point towards someone else to blame. If we lynch Corvid, the odds are 50/50 that we hit the SK and I'd rather lynch someone with a higher chance of being scum.
8 years ago
8 years ago
I'm at a family gathering today as well so I won't be able to add much until 7ish. Also can insert or murkiri tell us whether they can talk privately during the day or whether it is just in the night? It will probably be the same for mafia so we might be able to get information from that.
8 years ago
8 years ago
Windkeeper0 said:Good idea.
I'm at a family gathering today as well so I won't be able to add much until 7ish. Also can insert or murkiri tell us whether they can talk privately during the day or whether it is just in the night? It will probably be the same for mafia so we might be able to get information from that.
8 years ago
Extra said:
can we prohibit lachlan from playing in future games?
+1 this
Bijou said:I still stand by the fact that my reasoning that he was an arsonist was solid by the way. He's just a really special case.
It was pretty obvious that nobody, not even Lachlan, would reveal themselves as an anti-town role. I'm glad we lynched him though, just because he can be SO misleading.
Windkeeper0 said:
Another possibility is that there is a Veteran/Paranoid Gun Owner. It is the shortest explanation of this situation as there doesn't need to be 2 or 3 different roles acting into the situation.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner&redirect=no
This was my initial reaction too, although the simplest explanation isn't really a great way to explain anything like this, like what happened last game. The simple explanation was that I was mafia and Spacejam masonising me killed him. That wasn't what actually happened though. An interesting theory nonetheless though.
Ghostbone said:
LachlanF should be banned from all future mafia games tbh.
Reading through everyone's posts atm. Corvid might be SK, and targeted MrL because MrL was being so aggressive towards him day one.
There's enough people that there's probably two killing factions, so I'm going to assume mafia got roleblocked or doctor saved their kill target (or they targeted the SK), and the SK killed MrL.
Is there any other reason the SK would have to target MrL?
Vote: Corvid
Could be an Aerodrome case like last time where the SK just chooses at random and kills whoever he feels like rather than having any real logic behind it. Although Corvid may have felt threatened, it's not like MrL could have known he was SK (assuming he is). It'd be a lot less easy to link the kill back to himself too, if he killed someone who wasn't MrL, so I'm not convinced at this stage.
cjeccjec said:
I know I don't have a formal vote on Duon but Imma do this anyway.
Vote: Unvote
I feel like Duon acting like he was/is is simply how he acts and I'm not too suspicious. He's said enough to keep him off my radar at least for now.
Your votes have no pressure or anything, you just vote people and when they say ANYTHING at all, you just say "oh okay unvote". You're better off just not voting people if you're gonna be like that because they'll see you've voted and realise they're under no pressure or scrutiny at all.
Luminescent, your posts are very vague and wishy washy, you write a lot without really saying anything. On first glance it looks pro town, but really you need to be thinking a lot harder about the point you're trying to make. Maybe it's just cos you haven't played with us much but idk.
Overall thoughts:
I don't think Corvid is SK, Murkiri/Insert are obviously both town, Spacejam actually contributing. Personally just suss of the same people as yesterday really, barring Spacejam (for now) and also now suss of Cjeccjec
Gonna vote Duon for now though, and I'm actually gonna pressure him unlike SOME people.
Vote: Duon
8 years ago
Hi guys, hope you had a great Christmas.
I've read through the thread and I don't think I can contribute just yet. If something sticks out though, I'll get on it.
8 years ago
I've read through the thread and I don't think I can contribute just yet. If something sticks out though, I'll get on it.
8 years ago
@Maribro I have been a little shaky about my votes because, I simply don't know.
Since being like this does take away the authenticity of my votes i'll start going hard. That is, making solid claims and sticking with them to at least apply proper pressure.
The main thing i've been focusing on is getting discussion wherever I can. I've been going around accusing someone because of "X" reason then trying to get a defence from them. In my head I was mostly thinking as long as they aren't acting anti town then I can focus investigating other people who are being quiet or I find suspicious.
In hindsight I probably should try and stick with my votes or at least not be the way I was about them. I simply don't like the idea of going hard on people with little evidence. I guess I'll have to get it used to it though, because it's not like we'll ever have that much evidence at our disposal anyway.
More to come I hope, gonna re read things and see where my suspicions stand.
8 years ago
Since being like this does take away the authenticity of my votes i'll start going hard. That is, making solid claims and sticking with them to at least apply proper pressure.
The main thing i've been focusing on is getting discussion wherever I can. I've been going around accusing someone because of "X" reason then trying to get a defence from them. In my head I was mostly thinking as long as they aren't acting anti town then I can focus investigating other people who are being quiet or I find suspicious.
In hindsight I probably should try and stick with my votes or at least not be the way I was about them. I simply don't like the idea of going hard on people with little evidence. I guess I'll have to get it used to it though, because it's not like we'll ever have that much evidence at our disposal anyway.
More to come I hope, gonna re read things and see where my suspicions stand.
8 years ago
I just went through Duon's posts and he's literally made 13 posts. To put that into perspective, I've made almost 30 posts on this game already. Also, out of those 13 posts, all he really said was that we should have no lynch Day 1 and that we should have 1 week Day one and two weeks for every other day. Overall, I'd just like Duon to contribute more and make more useful statements. He's probably most likely to be Maf at this point in time.
As for my opinion on cj, seeing as Maribro brought it up, I don't think he's scum. He's playing a lot like last time and last time he flipped town. The only thing he's doing different is that he is voting people and then immediately unvoting them a lot more, and that's probably just because people were pointing out that that's what we should be doing if we want to gather info. The reason why he's unvoting so quickly is probably inexperience. This is his second game and I was doing a bit of that on my second game as well. Oops, never mind what I said about cj. Looks like he's already made his own defense.
8 years ago
As for my opinion on cj, seeing as Maribro brought it up, I don't think he's scum. He's playing a lot like last time and last time he flipped town. The only thing he's doing different is that he is voting people and then immediately unvoting them a lot more, and that's probably just because people were pointing out that that's what we should be doing if we want to gather info. The reason why he's unvoting so quickly is probably inexperience. This is his second game and I was doing a bit of that on my second game as well. Oops, never mind what I said about cj. Looks like he's already made his own defense.
8 years ago
Also just for the sake of consistency, I have now upped my standards for defences and letting people off the hook. There are a few targets i'd like to pick on based on inactivity alone or lack of contribution, however i'll replace my vote on the ripe pick atm. That is Duon
Vote Duon Vote: Duon
... I like my consistency Btw my reason for replacing my vote is that while Duon gave me a defence, he's still not contributing much and hasn't throughout the game as Autumn (Can I still call you that, or do you prefer Kiwi?) pointed out. I'm not taking boredom as an excuse
8 years ago
Vote Duon Vote: Duon
... I like my consistency Btw my reason for replacing my vote is that while Duon gave me a defence, he's still not contributing much and hasn't throughout the game as Autumn (Can I still call you that, or do you prefer Kiwi?) pointed out. I'm not taking boredom as an excuse
8 years ago
SpaceJam said:I can agree with this, I think this role would have been dramatically better as the game went on (obviously). Getting only 1 "Vanilla" role back and everything else being a Power Role would mean that the Vanilla role would most likely be SK, and getting only 1 PR back and everything else being Vanilla would also be extremely beneficial.I would consider this unlikely, vanilla serial killers are pretty uncommon, usually have some bulletproof, investigation immunity or similar powers.
I'm not sure Hydro or Corvid are the players to go after.
JLo's vote on Laggy I don't mind though, not sure about Laggy.
Duon I'm on the fence about, a lot of his inactivity can somewhat be justified ("I hate Day 1", Smash taking up weekends followed by the holiday season) but it wouldn't surprise me if he's lurking and avoiding attention. Something else that stood out to me was MrL not calling him out for being inactive on Day 1 even though he was definitely among the quieter players.
Extra raises some solid points on cjeccjec, I was a little iffy on the dude but had trouble putting my finger on what in particular.
So I should probably vote for someone, main people I'd look at right now are Duon, cjeccjec, maybe LuminousLucas and Ghostbone? Echoing Extra's points let's go VOTE: cjeccjec
8 years ago
Merry Christmas Guys (on Boxing Day), I've been inactive for obvious reasons and thought i would say something so i didn't get an inactivity strike.
I would also like to VOTE:Duon. I hasn't really contributed much and wanna pressure him a little bit. (Fresh coming from me)
8 years ago
I would also like to VOTE:Duon. I hasn't really contributed much and wanna pressure him a little bit. (Fresh coming from me)
8 years ago