Sun and Moon Themed Mafia | GAME OVER | Town Wins!

HydroPimp said:
okay sure maybe im dumb for trusting dean but how does trusting dean makes me suss doesnt it just make me retarded???? he is third party so like yea

can i make an alt account and be murkiri so i get a 2nd vote

It just makes you retarded.

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01/12/2017 03:05:41

Murkiri said:
Hello everyone. I've been inactive for a few days and got up to date with everything. Also come to say that I will be inactive for the next week as I am going on a trip. Sorry for being inactive and stuff.
Also VOTE: dean
He has straight out come out as a serial killer and I don't see any reason for him to be bluffing unless he is Jester (not sure if that role is in this game)

In hindsight Murkiri said he'll be away, so I guess we'll wait a bit longer for him.

Still need a replacement for Duon though.

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01/12/2017 03:06:15

UPDATE AGAIN WHY ARE WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING TODAY???

"okay sure maybe im dumb for trusting dean but how does trusting dean makes me suss doesnt it just make me retarded????"

When did I call you suss? I think you're just retarded. Also RIP the amount of people being replaced. That makes it significantly harder to get a read on them.

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01/12/2017 03:07:51

Bijou put me at the top of his suss list

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01/12/2017 03:08:39

Bijou what is the point of your list whatsoever. It doesn't really say much because you haven't said why you think people are suspicious.

Why is hydro suspicious (I mean I'd like reasons for everyone but he is at the top)

SpaceJam said:
UPDATE AGAIN WHY ARE WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING TODAY???

"okay sure maybe im dumb for trusting dean but how does trusting dean makes me suss doesnt it just make me retarded????"

When did I call you suss? I think you're just retarded.

Also RIP the amount of people being replaced. That makes it significantly harder to get a read on them.

We are discussing today because that's what helps town scum.

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01/12/2017 03:11:12

why am I not at the top of your list, Bijou?

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01/12/2017 03:12:16

cj it was a joke. I said that because town is finally starting to have discussions.

LuminousLucas said:
why am I not at the top of your list, Bijou?

Pretty obvious Googers doesn't find you suss then.

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01/12/2017 03:13:45

SpaceJam said:

Pretty obvious Googers doesn't find you suss then.

I'm on the list so I'm suss though

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01/12/2017 03:14:53

He literally listed everyone in the game unless confirmed town. He said "From Suss to least Suss"

"have a feeling they're just bad rather than trying to lie or whatever lol."

Looks like its already ringing true.

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01/12/2017 03:17:18

SpaceJam said:
cj it was a joke. I said that because town is finally starting to have discussions.

LuminousLucas said:
why am I not at the top of your list, Bijou?

Pretty obvious Googers doesn't find you suss then.

Oh shit I got outplayed

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01/12/2017 03:24:04

@cjeccjec
"I change my mind a lot, mostly because I want to follow the mob."
Awful train of thought and a key contributor to why town lost the last game where Aerodrome and Ghostbone (anti-town players) controlled conversation for most of the game.
Could very well be the same again. Do you really think all of SpaceJam, JLo, Ghostbone, Extra and Maribro are town players? Are you happy blindly following these people? You need to make your own judgments of the situation and come up with original thought.

A townsfolk has nothing to hide so should have confidence when they post. A mafioso should feel at least a little pressure and retreat into their shell - main reason I've gone after LuminousLucas. Quick look of the post history also shows that LuminousLucas has only cast one vote this entire game - nearly a month ago. The dude is playing way too scared.

@Bijou
"Dean may have good intentions to help town but if he kills at night and is wrong we're still losing 2 players per night. "
I would only kill if an obvtown (ideally Murkiri but he's so inactive and new so I'd settle for you or Luminescent) chooses for me to kill.
I mean, one can also say "if we lynch and we're wrong we're losing two players per day" - it's certainly true but town needs to take risks and kill because if town isn't killing they can't exactly win the game hey.

Where is Laggy... on holiday? Staying quiet so that suspicion passes over?
KiwifruitKoala can also say something please... said nothing this entire day. Are we really one month into the game, midway through day three, in a thread with nearly 900 posts and you've yet to make a single critical thought?

Once again lots of posts have passed so if someone had something they wanted me to reply to just let me know.

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01/12/2017 03:48:57

@dean yes that's why I changed my mentality. It was subconsciously I was acting like that

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01/12/2017 03:52:42

"Blindly following these people" is an interesting way to twist "voting for the only confirmed anti-town player"

It doesn't take a mafia member to start a lynch train on someone confirmed anti-town by a cop.

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01/12/2017 03:56:00

I gave five examples of players, split between the LuminousLucas and Dean camps, that I chose because they were probably the most active ones apart from me and Bijou.
And there are very likely mafioso among them, speaking from a probability standpoint. Or do you think that the remaining mafia are split solely among KiwifruitKoala, ThatLaggyPerson, cjeccjec, LuminousLucas, HydroPimp, Windkeeper0 and Corvid?

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01/12/2017 04:01:37

Well if remaining mafia are those people and we lose I think I'll just never play Mafia again.

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01/12/2017 04:03:12

dean said:

A townsfolk has nothing to hide so should have confidence when they post. A mafioso should feel at least a little pressure and retreat into their shell - main reason I've gone after LuminousLucas. Quick look of the post history also shows that LuminousLucas has only cast one vote this entire game - nearly a month ago. The dude is playing way too scared.

That's actually quite good reasoning for going after me, I always wondered why you were going after me this whole time. That being said, I haven't been casting many votes as I sometimes I don't feel up to it, especially hammering people which is literally a scary thought for me. This reasoning sounds quite horrible honestly but it is what I actually do think.

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01/12/2017 04:04:41

Ghost i dont plan on keeping dean alive tomorrow. The only reason people are even considering not lynching him today is because there are no kills tonight. Saying he will probably manipulate the town to keeping him alive is being overly negative. You are just thinking of the worst case scenarios. I find it impossible for dean to possibly manipulate the town for 10 days and win the game and if he isnt going to win there's no point in making it unfun for everybody else. Dean wouldnt go out of his way to make the game unfun for everybody he isnt that kind of person.

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01/12/2017 04:30:36

"You're just thinking of the worse case scenarios"

Why wouldn't I think of the worst case scenarios for town, when we win as long as we avoid those.

It's not even about Dean winning the game, we don't even know that he's SK, he could be mafia and just wants another use of his power role tonight before we lynch him. I seriously have no clue why you're so trusting of a confirmed anti-town player.

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01/12/2017 04:33:34

I plan on elaborating on my suss list post, I quickly threw that together on lunch break at work (hence why I said if you have any specific questions on where people are placed then to ask for more info).

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01/12/2017 05:34:44

i actually like bijou's list - strong focus on players who haven't been suspected up until now instead of just making assumptions which is nice. granted i do think having hydropimp as most sus is pretty silly (hey once again remember that post i made on day 1 about how he always acts 'suspicious', literally called it). spacejam is an interesting choice and all his memeing certainly doesn't make a good case for him - i'd be fine with going for him sometime down the line.

couple of things i would like clarified:

- why jlo specifically that high? from what i've seen he has seemed like he has mostly been playing with good intention and he wouldn't be my first bet for anti-town. what about him has made you suspect him more than say, windkeeper or maribro (or hell, even me)?

- similarly, what did you pick out from windkeeper's posts that make you think he's mafia? dude is a fucking headache for me to read and i find it hard to pinpoint him. i posted my thoughts on him earlier but yall have played way more games with him than i have. has this dude actually ever been lynched before? not sure how receptive town would be to it cause something about him seems to let him avoid lynches lol. actually typed up this whole post before i read bijous last post, good to hear you plan on elaborating anyway.

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01/12/2017 05:41:44

Yudowat has kindly said he will be a replacement and is replacing Corvid.

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01/12/2017 06:18:51

So to go into more detail from my earlier post:

Hydro - Quite a few reasons on this. I'm well aware that Extra called early on that Hydro always acts suspicious, however I reckon he's using this to his advantage to get away with things. Firstly he hammered day 1 (I think he did at least wait before doing it though), his posts have been way longer than I remember him doing from previous games (players who are mafia tend to overcompensate by saying more than they usually would) and he also appears to be in support for saving Dean. He was also involved in both lynches so far. In addition to this I put him at the top of the list because no one seems to be calling him out yet - a sign that some players are overlooking his plays on purpose.

Spacejam - I've been suss since the day 1 plays, but the reason I'm still holding suspicion on him is because he responds to my call outs very very quickly. Usually within an hour. This is a sign he's lurking the thread pretty hard / has access to a chat in which people are informing him of what I'm calling out.

Jlo - Here's a left field one for you. This is purely on the assumption that Dean is a Serial Killer. I'm still firmly of the belief that Aero and Rhyno balanced this game to some degree which means the mafia will have at least one strong player. Of the stronger players I mentioned earlier on, 3 of them are basically role confirmed (myself, Dean and Invisi). Maribro I believe to be town (but on the back of this will take a closer look at him) and Ghost I believe to be town even moreso.

So that means there are no strong mafia players of the above 5. Who does that leave left to lead the mafia? Jlo and Extra are probably the two that spring to mind. Extra so far seems to be more town to me unless he's god tier at lying. Jlo on the other hand has -appeared- to be playing very town, however a few little things I noticed makes me wonder.

The two little things I picked up on was him not giving an opinion on Spacejam and more recently him joining the Lucas lynch train a little bit too freely by 'choo choo'ing. I do not believe Lucas to be mafia at this stage and think he's actually a very easy target to take the heat off of mafia players. For these reasons I'm looking carefully at Jlo.

Autumnfruitsalad - Have really hardly noticed him or any attention drawn towards him. He's about as under the radar as he can get. In addition to this - here is a new train of thought - so far he hasn't been involved in either of the two lynches that have happened so far.

Sometimes I reckon quieter players like to go unnoticed by not getting involved in lynches when they are mafia to keep the heat off of them. Basically it's like "I'm not suspicious because -I- wasn't the one who voted to kill -townie-". Watch carefully.

Maribro - I really don't think Maribro is mafia after the way he played with me when him and I were mafia together. In light of the fact that (if my theory is to be believed) that I think the mafia are still missing a confirmed 'strong player' I think we need to take a little bit of a closer look at him since he hasn't been role confirmed yet.

Extra - Same as Maribro, really just on the fence about him since he appears to me to be town. Just want to be careful because he could be considered a strong player for the mafia (however is less likely than Maribro since this is his first full game and is less likely to be considered for the mafia 'strong player' role).

Windkeeper - Had him higher originally but in hindsight I really can't fault anything he has done. He seems to contribute well but I never really notice him. Just kinda put him here to remind myself that he's not confirmed as town yet and to not overlook him.

Corvid - Don't really believe he is mafia. Legit if you were mafia and involved in a discord chat 24/7 you would have to be pretty special to not post in thread at all.

Lucas - I reckon Lucas is an insanely easy target for anti town players to direct town onto. He is new and inexperienced and lacks confidence. This makes him a soft play for anti-town players to bandwagon on. Haven't really seen him do anything that has triggered any warnings for me yet.

Cjeccjeccjeccjeccjec - Same as Lucas, but I believe him to be a slightly more confident player thus far.

Ghost - I would actually be insanely surprised if he was mafia. Early on I thought I couldn't read him, but he's definitely playing differently to how he did when he was a mafia member. He mentioned his power can work during day or night too, will have to check into that.

Laggy - If the mods actually gave lynchproof to a mafia player then you are horrible people.

Duon - Not 100% confirmed as jailer but since he told us he jailed Ghost and Corvid and neither of these players could dispute this I reckon it's probably pretty accurate. Would be insanely risky to claim you jailed someone without knowing that they couldn't just turn around and say 'no I used a power last night so you're wrong'.

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01/12/2017 06:25:02

I had to step back and look at this argument from an outsider's perspective and all I can see that separates the 2 lynch candidates for today is whether we believe that Dean is Sk or not. I don't think anyone apart from maybe Invisi (I think he mentioned keeping Dean alive at some point, I could be wrong) wants Dean alive by the end of tomorrow.

Basically the people who are voting for Dean think the risk of him being mafia instead of being the SK he claims to be is too high. While the people who are voting for Lucas think that Lucas is mafia, the chance of Dean being mafia is low and are thinking more about the problems the mafia power roles can cause us tonight.

In saying this, my thoughts of today and tomorrow are probably a bit ambitious. My thought was that the most suspicious person tomorrow would most likely be the same as today as we are unlikely to get information on mafia during the night.

If Dean is Sk like he says he is, then if Lucas is mafia or town it wouldn't affect the overall game negatively because he was likely to be our first target tomorrow. So with my belief that Dean is telling the truth and Lucas is mafia it would only change the order of events and the chance of getting rid of a mafia power role.

Also voting Lucas and opening of the chance of actually lynching him was the only way to get any more information, as otherwise we wouldn't have anything to go off. To be honest I was probably being a bit too paranoid of the mafia stuffing us up with their power roles.

I'm seeing the merit to both sides now so I'm willing to change my vote to Dean if need be. I'm also less sure that Lucas is mafia then I was before. I think other mafia members would be helping him form his defense better if he was with them. Though that hasn't stopped some people before when they were mafia so he isn't in the clear yet.

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01/12/2017 07:05:37

Ol googer I'm at work and I'm still lurking hard. If you think I have a life I should assure you I don't and I spend most of my time with qldsmash open. 👌 I mean like I even did a detailed drawings and had an indepth discussion with hydro about it when I was away for like 2 days

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01/12/2017 07:58:24

I did like your illustrations. They were high quality,

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01/12/2017 08:19:39